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Post by JudgeRatty on Aug 20, 2014 18:14:57 GMT -5
As long as the emails don't say "See Details Tab" in them, there's no need to jump to conclusions. OMG. Remember all that turmoil?!! Crazy how long this process has been and all the various issues we have all been through! I was thinking this whole email thing may be the same kind of issue just like the see details tab debacle. We really will not know what it means until a few certs have passed and a pattern develops. Ugh.
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Post by zepplin on Aug 20, 2014 18:20:13 GMT -5
One city on my list had no hires.
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Post by gary on Aug 20, 2014 18:34:07 GMT -5
As long as the emails don't say "See Details Tab" in them, there's no need to jump to conclusions. I hope this email issue does not drag on as long as the "See Details Tab" frenzy did.
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Post by 71stretch on Aug 20, 2014 21:35:20 GMT -5
I suppose the bottom line is that the email was written so badly that all we can conclude is that we weren't hired on the first cert. The only real confirmation of whether we are still under consideration for a position will come when the next cert is issued and we are or aren't on it. And even that won't necessarily tell you or anyone else that, depending on which cities and joe many cities are on it, and what the score range is .
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Post by jlee1962 on Aug 22, 2014 7:13:34 GMT -5
The first round is over. 71 judges were hired for 2 classes. We have been told that they will continue to work the transfer list and conduct hiring until the 200 number is reached. Because of "3 strike" speculation on the board, many of us last year replied to the rejection email asking if we had 3 strikes. Bob doesn't have time for those emails this year. Plus, being off SSA's list doesn't mean you are off OMHA's list so that information should come from OPM not SSA. Breathe folks. This is a marathon not a sprint. If you are an insider, check your production numbers - they will. If they aren't up to snuff, they will pass you over until they are. Good luck everyone!
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Post by hilltopper on Aug 22, 2014 8:50:45 GMT -5
The first round is over. 71 judges were hired for 2 classes. We have been told that they will continue to work the transfer list and conduct hiring until the 200 number is reached. Because of "3 strike" speculation on the board, many of us last year replied to the rejection email asking if we had 3 strikes. Bob doesn't have time for those emails this year. Plus, being off SSA's list doesn't mean you are off OMHA's list so that information should come from OPM not SSA. Breathe folks. This is a marathon not a sprint. If you are an insider, check your production numbers - they will. If they aren't up to snuff, they will pass you over until they are. Good luck everyone! To those receiving rejection emails, take heart. With persistence (if you truly want it) your time will come. I'd say I have a few more rejections than most of you. To paraphrase a story I once heard ... When questioned while he was in the process of trying to create the electric light bulb, Thomas A. Edison was asked how he was able to handle all that failure. Edison replied, "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
Which leads me to another perceptive quote from Mr. Edison: "Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time."Worked for me! To paraphase JLee - (For those of you more into medical terminology) - This is an aerobic exercise not an anaerobic one. ht
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Post by sealaw90 on Aug 22, 2014 11:35:48 GMT -5
The first round is over. 71 judges were hired for 2 classes. We have been told that they will continue to work the transfer list and conduct hiring until the 200 number is reached. Because of "3 strike" speculation on the board, many of us last year replied to the rejection email asking if we had 3 strikes. Bob doesn't have time for those emails this year. Plus, being off SSA's list doesn't mean you are off OMHA's list so that information should come from OPM not SSA. Breathe folks. This is a marathon not a sprint. If you are an insider, check your production numbers - they will. If they aren't up to snuff, they will pass you over until they are. Good luck everyone! To those receiving rejection emails, take heart. With persistence (if you truly want it) your time will come. I'd say I have a few more rejections than most of you. To paraphrase a story I once heard ... When questioned while he was in the process of trying to create the electric light bulb, Thomas A. Edison was asked how he was able to handle all that failure. Edison replied, "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
Which leads me to another perceptive quote from Mr. Edison: "Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time."Worked for me! To paraphase JLee - (For those of you more into medical terminology) - This is an aerobic exercise not an anaerobic one. ht Which JLee are you paraphrashing - the actor Jet Li or someone else. if it's Jet Li, I think he got that line from Jean-Claude van Damme!
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Post by WhereIsTheFrontDoor on Aug 22, 2014 12:09:19 GMT -5
jlee,
Were the people who received those emails on subsequent certs off the same register? Asking for a friend...
And thanks for the information!
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Post by bucksfan on Aug 22, 2014 20:36:51 GMT -5
jlee, Were the people who received those emails on subsequent certs off the same register? Asking for a friend... And thanks for the information! Yes
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Post by hamster on Aug 23, 2014 15:57:21 GMT -5
I got the ODAR rejection email several years ago. All hopes dashed! Forever disconsolate! Bummed! Dismayed! Dejected! Unhappy!
Two months later got a call from HR: I was offered an ALJ position, with a start date in three months.
The moral of this story is: Don't give up the ship! We'll keep the light on for you.
Best, Hamster Class of February-March 2012
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Post by linky on Aug 30, 2014 8:58:01 GMT -5
Sent out thank you notes to my references, including federal judges. All took the time to send emails saying ODAR's loss. I told them I would keep at it and was hoping for next time. Overall, very classy caring people.
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Post by wclj on Sept 2, 2014 11:04:22 GMT -5
Just got my response from OPM:
A review of our records confirms that your name remains active on the current Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) register. As the U.S. Office of Personnel Management (OPM) receives requests for Certificates of Eligibles from agencies wishing to hire ALJs, names are referred in numerical score order, based on the number of positions to be filled and the applicant’s geographic availability. The agency may contact the applicants to confirm their availability in certain geographic locations and/or to arrange interviews. It is noted that applicants can be concurrently referred on more than one certificate at a time to different agencies and locations if their final numerical ratings are within reach for certification to those geographic locations that they have specified during the application filing period. Applicants who are not selected will remain on the ALJ register for future consideration in accordance with the ALJ Job Opportunity Announcement, number ALJ2013-847661, “Receiving Employment Consideration” section. Since agencies are responsible for the selection and hiring process, OPM is unable to provide information in this regard. Should you have any questions concerning your non-selection, they should be directed to the specific hiring agency. As mentioned above, applicants are referred according to numerical score order, geographic availability and the number of positions to be filled. Therefore, the scores, number of applicants and names referred will vary from certificate to certificate. Although we expect that agencies will continue to request names from the register to fill ALJ vacancies, we cannot predict agencies hiring needs.
So, from OPM's perspective, I'm still in the hunt. Just hope ODAR sees it the same way.
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Post by bettyrubble on Sept 2, 2014 11:09:21 GMT -5
Received confirmation from OPM today that at I am still on the ALJ list despite Dear John email from SSA. Reassuring even if expected.
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Post by bettyrubble on Sept 2, 2014 11:09:35 GMT -5
Received confirmation from OPM today that at I am still on the ALJ list despite Dear John email from SSA. Reassuring even if expected.
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Post by sealaw90 on Sept 2, 2014 11:26:34 GMT -5
Good post wclj, thanks. I am assuming that is a direct quote from the OPM email and not your paraphrase. Well, keep on keepin' on - you will find your self on another cert as long as your city comes up.
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Post by wclj on Sept 2, 2014 12:13:05 GMT -5
Yes, that is a direct quote. I tried to show it as a direct quote, but was unsuccessful. Copying and pasting seems to be the limit of my word-processing skills.
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Post by futuressaalj on Sept 2, 2014 12:50:00 GMT -5
Just got my response from OPM: A review of our records confirms that your name remains active on the current Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) register. As the U.S. Office of Personnel Management (OPM) receives requests for Certificates of Eligibles from agencies wishing to hire ALJs, names are referred in numerical score order, based on the number of positions to be filled and the applicant’s geographic availability. The agency may contact the applicants to confirm their availability in certain geographic locations and/or to arrange interviews. It is noted that applicants can be concurrently referred on more than one certificate at a time to different agencies and locations if their final numerical ratings are within reach for certification to those geographic locations that they have specified during the application filing period. Applicants who are not selected will remain on the ALJ register for future consideration in accordance with the ALJ Job Opportunity Announcement, number ALJ2013-847661, “Receiving Employment Consideration” section. Since agencies are responsible for the selection and hiring process, OPM is unable to provide information in this regard. Should you have any questions concerning your non-selection, they should be directed to the specific hiring agency. As mentioned above, applicants are referred according to numerical score order, geographic availability and the number of positions to be filled. Therefore, the scores, number of applicants and names referred will vary from certificate to certificate. Although we expect that agencies will continue to request names from the register to fill ALJ vacancies, we cannot predict agencies hiring needs. So, from OPM's perspective, I'm still in the hunt. Just hope ODAR sees it the same way. I take it that they are essentially saying, we do not know if SSA three struck you so go and ask them if they did because we do not have that information. Even if you are three struck by OMHA or ODAR you will remain on the register until it dies, you just will not be hired by that agency.
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Post by gary on Sept 2, 2014 13:05:11 GMT -5
Just got my response from OPM: A review of our records confirms that your name remains active on the current Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) register. As the U.S. Office of Personnel Management (OPM) receives requests for Certificates of Eligibles from agencies wishing to hire ALJs, names are referred in numerical score order, based on the number of positions to be filled and the applicant’s geographic availability. The agency may contact the applicants to confirm their availability in certain geographic locations and/or to arrange interviews. It is noted that applicants can be concurrently referred on more than one certificate at a time to different agencies and locations if their final numerical ratings are within reach for certification to those geographic locations that they have specified during the application filing period. Applicants who are not selected will remain on the ALJ register for future consideration in accordance with the ALJ Job Opportunity Announcement, number ALJ2013-847661, “Receiving Employment Consideration” section. Since agencies are responsible for the selection and hiring process, OPM is unable to provide information in this regard. Should you have any questions concerning your non-selection, they should be directed to the specific hiring agency. As mentioned above, applicants are referred according to numerical score order, geographic availability and the number of positions to be filled. Therefore, the scores, number of applicants and names referred will vary from certificate to certificate. Although we expect that agencies will continue to request names from the register to fill ALJ vacancies, we cannot predict agencies hiring needs. So, from OPM's perspective, I'm still in the hunt. Just hope ODAR sees it the same way. I take it that they are essentially saying, we do not know if SSA three struck you so go and ask them if they did because we do not have that information. Even if you are three struck by OMHA or ODAR you will remain on the register until it dies, you just will not be hired by that agency. If SSA has reported back on the first certs, OPM knows how many times you have been considered in a top 3 and not hired, so they will know whether you have accumulated three bona fide considerations. What OPM does not know is whether SSA will use the three-strike rule to not consider you every time you would be in a top three or whether SSA will at some point be willing to hire you.
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Post by futuressaalj on Sept 2, 2014 13:16:44 GMT -5
I take it that they are essentially saying, we do not know if SSA three struck you so go and ask them if they did because we do not have that information. Even if you are three struck by OMHA or ODAR you will remain on the register until it dies, you just will not be hired by that agency. If SSA has reported back on the first certs, OPM knows how many times you have been considered in a top 3 and not hired, so they will know whether you have accumulated three bona fide considerations. What OPM does not know is whether SSA will use the three-strike rule to not consider you every time you would be in a top three or whether SSA will at some point be willing to hire you. I recall reading a post that said SSA sent a list to OPM saying do not send us the following names but O53 indicated that they have hired people who have been three struck on previous certs. So I surmise the three bona fide consideration information is up to the agency and OPM would only know if they are sent the list saying, do not send the following name(s)
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Post by gary on Sept 2, 2014 13:38:47 GMT -5
If SSA has reported back on the first certs, OPM knows how many times you have been considered in a top 3 and not hired, so they will know whether you have accumulated three bona fide considerations. What OPM does not know is whether SSA will use the three-strike rule to not consider you every time you would be in a top three or whether SSA will at some point be willing to hire you. I recall reading a post that said SSA sent a list to OPM saying do not send us the following names but O53 indicated that they have hired people who have been three struck on previous certs. So I surmise the three bona fide consideration information is up to the agency and OPM would only know if they are sent the list saying, do not send the following name(s) On the bottom of page 2 of Standard Form 39 are the reporting requirements SSA must follow. From the required report, OPM will know, inter alia, who has how many bona fide considerations. www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf39.pdfIf you think about it, OPM needs this information to oversee whether SSA is following the hiring rules and to know whether a request to leave a candidate off a cert as three-struck is proper. The rule on three considerations is not primarily a rule for leaving people off certs. It is a rule that allows a hiring authority not to consider a candidate who has had three prior considerations for a position. www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=b9d0b7d9fb2690e511ac24641493664a&node=se5.1.332_1405&rgn=div8For SSA it is best to have a lot of candidates it is prepared to hire at some point with three prior considerations. SSA can hire any of them for locations in their GALs pretty much at will, or dig deeper down to reach someone they like with a lower score. What has been generally referred to here as three-struck is SSA's option to tell OPM they don't wish to have all or certain select people with three considerations on a cert. I have not seen a specific rule for that, but I don't think they need one. If SSA has decided not to consider certain people they've considered three times, whether they do it by declining to consider them each time or by leaving them off certs makes no difference.
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