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Post by JudgeRatty on Nov 14, 2014 8:02:10 GMT -5
Bump.
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Post by Loopstok on Nov 14, 2014 11:20:20 GMT -5
Ditto. I was a reference for a former co-worker during the early 2013 hiring cycle, and I had the identical experience. I had 2 or 3 people calling me at once, from the same phone bank, about the same individual (with missed calls coming in while I was already on the line). While the person who I spoke with at the phone bank sounded like every insurance investigator that I ever dealt with earlier in my legal career (i.e. an ex-law enforcement type), it was truly a scripted interview with no deviations or interjections on their part. This is just the way ODAR does things, and the system appears to be working, so I don't want to pass judgment on the right or wrong of it. As to other comments in this thread about the high number of references that we must submit... while I had to dig pretty deep into my past to find the 3 adversarial references (since I haven't done that in some years now), on the judicial and professional sides I wound up with more people volunteering to be a reference for me than I was ultimately able to include. It was actually a reassuring and joyful process, reaching out to so many people from across my legal career & finding that they were happy to speak up for me (assuming none of them are secretly planning to use the reference call to settle old scores, ha ha). And, let's face it, even if the number 9 seems somewhat arbitrary... we were all able to do it. Again, while it may seem odd to us, it's the way ODAR does things, and the system appears to be working.
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Post by jonsprag1 on Nov 14, 2014 11:43:50 GMT -5
observer: Very true. In my case, I have only been in this state for a few years, having accepted a job offer while living in another state. Finding current references in the new state can be difficult, especially if you have only recently been admitted to the practice of law in the new state. But, I did find folks who knew me when and agreed to be references. I'm in that position---18 years as a litigator, then 17 as an adjudicator---most of my adversaries are still around and I found enough to give me good references. Judges were another matter. Many are dead, some are retired. I used two retired judges and managed to find one who wasn't. At least two of the adversaries are judges now--and I used those folks as well as a number lawyers who appeared in front of me and liked me well enough to give me a reference. I've had my interview but haven't heard if any of my references have been contacted---wouldn't surprise me if they hadn't as I submitted the documentation on Monday, so I'm sure I had to go the back of the contractor's Q.
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Post by sealaw90 on Nov 14, 2014 12:06:18 GMT -5
Bob, I will be a doobie! Sealaw, you have 666 posts now. Maybe I was channeling something evil yesterday, but I really got a burr in my saddle over that one I feel better now
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Post by JudgeRatty on Nov 14, 2014 12:40:07 GMT -5
More of my references are being called today... with this and the fact that others are getting supplemental city emails, and interview calls, sounds like we are on track as planned!
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Post by JudgeRatty on Nov 15, 2014 10:32:26 GMT -5
They are making reference calls today (Saturday) too. Apparently they are not taking off today. Good news! Hang in there everyone... they are doing their best!
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Post by peacemaker on Dec 3, 2014 19:49:47 GMT -5
I am sorry if this has been asked and answered--if you torpedo the interview, do your references still get called? I left the interview feeling pretty miserable.
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Post by gary on Dec 3, 2014 19:54:18 GMT -5
I am sorry if this has been asked and answered--if you torpedo the interview, do your references still get called? I left the interview feeling pretty miserable. They do if (like me) most, if not all, of your references were called before you interviewed. I can't speak to what happens if you are interviewed before your refwrences are called.
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Post by moopigsdad on Dec 3, 2014 19:55:06 GMT -5
Yes, as the contractors doing the reference checks have no idea how the interviewers have rated you.
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Post by Gaidin on Dec 3, 2014 21:53:12 GMT -5
Most of my references reported getting the call today. They are using the script referenced elsewhere. I agree with Bob Harris they are looking for your reference to torpedo you not the reference to save you.
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Post by bartleby on Dec 4, 2014 10:55:36 GMT -5
A local HOCALJ got called and asked about a certain female that had used him as a reference. He couldn't recall her at all. He called the reference number and tried to see if she had changed her name, gotten married or something. The reference person said this was the third time this had happened on this applicant and all that he could tell the HOCALJ was that she worked for one of the BIG national firms with the initials B & B... Kiss it goodbye. I have told you all to never use titles for references, but to use people that know you well and even better, like you!!
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Post by sealaw90 on Dec 4, 2014 11:34:20 GMT -5
Wow! That's amazing that in this day and age, with this Board so easily found on the internet, and with some basic research, how a lawyer could make it onto the second cert and come up with a list of names like that and think it would work! One down, folks. I hope she was on the cert for lots of cities!!!
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Post by moopigsdad on Dec 4, 2014 11:39:04 GMT -5
I spoke to someone in the know and reference checks are still ongoing and will be completed prior to when the SSA hiring committee meets to hire any individuals for the January class. This is solid information provided by someone who knows.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Dec 4, 2014 11:57:56 GMT -5
A local HOCALJ got called and asked about a certain female that had used him as a reference. He couldn't recall her at all. He called the reference number and tried to see if she had changed her name, gotten married or something. The reference person said this was the third time this had happened on this applicant and all that he could tell the HOCALJ was that she worked for one of the BIG national firms with the initials B & B... Kiss it goodbye. I have told you all to never use titles for references, but to use people that know you well and even better, like you!! I had a face-to-face, telephone conversation or multiple emails to confirm all 9 references. I also favored them with a biographical sketch, reminded them of our dealings together, and sent them a list of possible questions based on past practices. There is no other way to do this without risking the above situation. I had trouble with adversaries because it had been such a long time. As luck would have it, I bumped into someone who could serve as an adversary at a doctor's appointment - he is also the guy who went out of his way to introduce me to the court - all those years ago. I took that as a good sign, as that was the 9th reference I identified - the other 8 were fairly easy.
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Post by sealaw90 on Dec 4, 2014 12:18:05 GMT -5
A local HOCALJ got called and asked about a certain female that had used him as a reference. He couldn't recall her at all. He called the reference number and tried to see if she had changed her name, gotten married or something. The reference person said this was the third time this had happened on this applicant and all that he could tell the HOCALJ was that she worked for one of the BIG national firms with the initials B & B... Kiss it goodbye. I have told you all to never use titles for references, but to use people that know you well and even better, like you!! I had a face-to-face, telephone conversation or multiple emails to confirm all 9 references. I also favored them with a biographical sketch, reminded them of our dealings together, and sent them a list of possible questions based on past practices. There is no other way to do this without risking the above situation. I had trouble with adversaries because it had been such a long time. As luck would have it, I bumped into someone who could serve as an adversary at a doctor's appointment - he is also the guy who went out of his way to introduce me to the court - all those years ago. I took that as a good sign, as that was the 9th reference I identified - the other 8 were fairly easy. And now you've got 9 more Christmas cards to send this season! Yes, I think that is what the prudent fellow would do. Since I am only a triad, I have nonetheless kept in touch with most folks I intend on using as references, although there's one or two I'll need to re-engage with when the time comes for the real thing.
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Post by Gaidin on Dec 4, 2014 12:21:30 GMT -5
I had a face-to-face, telephone conversation or multiple emails to confirm all 9 references. I also favored them with a biographical sketch, reminded them of our dealings together, and sent them a list of possible questions based on past practices. There is no other way to do this without risking the above situation. I had trouble with adversaries because it had been such a long time. As luck would have it, I bumped into someone who could serve as an adversary at a doctor's appointment - he is also the guy who went out of his way to introduce me to the court - all those years ago. I took that as a good sign, as that was the 9th reference I identified - the other 8 were fairly easy. And now you've got 9 more Christmas cards to send this season! Yes, I think that is what the prudent fellow would do. Since I am only a triad, I have nonetheless kept in touch with most folks I intend on using as references, although there's one or two I'll need to re-engage with when the time comes for the real thing. This is definitely the way to go.
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Post by Missundaztood on Dec 4, 2014 12:22:26 GMT -5
Bob, I will be a doobie! Sealaw, you have 666 posts now. Maybe I was channeling something evil yesterday, but I really got a burr in my saddle over that one I feel better now Sorry, catching up on some old posts. A cowboy, no joke, once corrected me and told me that it is a "burr UNDER my saddle." Uh, okay... I will try to keep all burrs away from my saddle.
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Post by moopigsdad on Dec 4, 2014 12:28:37 GMT -5
As an aside, several of my references were telephoned today. So, things are indeed moving along in the process.
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Post by sealaw90 on Dec 4, 2014 12:48:52 GMT -5
Maybe I was channeling something evil yesterday, but I really got a burr in my saddle over that one I feel better now Sorry, catching up on some old posts. A cowboy, no joke, once corrected me and told me that it is a "burr UNDER my saddle." Uh, okay... I will try to keep all burrs away from my saddle. I was told if the burr was under your saddle, you wouldn't feel it - guess size really does matter... I try to keep all burrs away from my saddle as well - under, on, in, etc! LOL.
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Post by gary on Dec 4, 2014 12:55:04 GMT -5
Sorry, catching up on some old posts. A cowboy, no joke, once corrected me and told me that it is a "burr UNDER my saddle." Uh, okay... I will try to keep all burrs away from my saddle. I was told if the burr was under your saddle, you wouldn't feel it - guess size really does matter... I try to keep all burrs away from my saddle as well - under, on, in, etc! LOL. You aren't seeing this from the point of view of the horse.
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