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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 12:18:21 GMT -5
I say let's all forget this EBB vs FIT debate.
Let's go the the real debate, the actual heart of the matter, the master of all debates.
I say we convert the entire system to MAC over Windows.
(Woah, I can hears the screams, yelling and dueling from both sides already.......)
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Post by bartleby on Feb 18, 2015 12:23:04 GMT -5
Yeah, right, and don't almost all countries in the World use the metric system? And which country was it that walked on the moon???
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Post by gary on Feb 18, 2015 15:22:21 GMT -5
Remember, an American set foot on the moon. He did not set meter on the moon.
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Post by hilltopper on Feb 18, 2015 16:22:30 GMT -5
Remember, an American set foot on the moon. He did not set meter on the moon. That's just too good! ht
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Post by hilltopper on Feb 18, 2015 16:26:29 GMT -5
I say let's all forget this EBB vs FIT debate. Let's go the the real debate, the actual heart of the matter, the master of all debates. I say we convert the entire system to MAC over Windows. (Woah, I can hears the screams, yelling and dueling from both sides already.......) Hey. No problemo. I like both MAC and PC. I carry both a Samsung with Windows 7 Pro and a MacBook Pro with ... Windows 7 Pro. I hate Windows 8. ht
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Post by gary on Feb 18, 2015 16:41:24 GMT -5
I say let's all forget this EBB vs FIT debate. Let's go the the real debate, the actual heart of the matter, the master of all debates. I say we convert the entire system to MAC over Windows. (Woah, I can hears the screams, yelling and dueling from both sides already.......) I thought the Mother of All Debates was Mary Ann or Ginger.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Feb 18, 2015 19:18:56 GMT -5
@ Papajudge Wow! I have never heard of anyone who actually uses Dvorak. More here. I run 50-60 wpm on QWERTY and doubt I would have the patience to retrain my old fingers. I learned to type on an Adler manual typewriter back in the day. A Smith Corona Coronet Super 12 (remember the swappable correction cartridge?) got me through college and law school in the pre-PC era when dinosaurs roamed the earth. I am anxious to see EBB at training in April. I have this irrational fear that EBB will be deployed on tablet computers with touchscreens and will involve lots of swiping and gesturing. I absolutely hate touchscreens, although they make marginal sense on cell phones (I still prefer my old Crackberry.) My major complaint with touchscreen devices is that they give no tactile feedback to the user. They are poorly documented (because the developers claim they are so "intuitive") and typically violate everything Don Norman has taught us about user interface design. I was involved with development of something that might resemble the old FIT templates at my former agency, but I've never seen a FIT template so I can't be sure. Regardless, I will be happy if EBB is a standard Windows application rather than some touchscreen monstrosity. Have no fear. We do not have touchscreens at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 21:58:48 GMT -5
The kitties and I don't like it... eBB that is.. As far as FIT going away... I do believe that 5 years or so ago we certified that we were 100% electronic, yes?? Strange the number of paper files that have creeped back into the system, no matter what Microsoft said or did. Those dinasaurs we be will not be driven from FIT within the next 10 years. My writers like my instructions. My remand agreement rate is over 90%. We do not like eBB I say. Further eBB does not cover all types of cases, or so I have been told. One Mentor worked hard on us, but she finally gave up and she also gave up on eBB. It ain't there yet folks.. Wait until you see the finished version, the one that hands you your decision, that will then take you 2 hours to fix.. I must go, litter boxes need cleaning. Bartleby,
FIT will be dead and gone well within 10 years and yes "paper" files are gone almost, but maybe your office gets an astronomical larger number of paper files than the rest of Region 4.
Why an eBB mentor would have to "work hard on us" to get newer Judges (3 years or so like yourself) to utilized the latest technology is probably the same reason why ODAR hired me and many others recently to become ALJs... I have adopted each and every new version of technology without reservation because until I can figure out a way to become richer than Bill Gates, I'm not that smart to ignore the latest technology. IMHO tiger
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Post by hamster on Feb 19, 2015 7:21:52 GMT -5
I have a paper file sitting on my desk that I am doing my best to ignore. It is literally two feet (almost 2/3ds of a meter) tall.
I love our fully electronic case files! Now where did I put that slate and chalk? I need to write some instructions!
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Post by bartleby on Feb 19, 2015 9:23:18 GMT -5
Tigerlaw, "is probably the same reason why ODAR hired me and many others recently to become ALJs" don't overestimate your value to the machine. You were hired due to the back log. Many others that did not and will not get hired would have been a better Judge than you or I. Some people can use some technology better than others. That has nothing to do with their ability to do the mental work we were hired to do. Trust me, there are Judges that still use handwritten instructions. To require them to use eBB or leave would be a change in work conditions and would not stand up in Court. We have outstanding Judges that use Dragon Natural and that isn't working with eBB. Some would say Dragon Natural would be the future. In the Agency, one man's dream becomes reality, for a while. And then intelligent people point out the error of their ways. We have gone through many changes and yet we seem to return to what works the best. Time will tell. I am not positive, but I believe that their is not one Judge in my office that uses eBB. JMHO..
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Post by chessparent on Feb 19, 2015 21:07:21 GMT -5
Bob, I understood, like, three words in your post, iPad, iPhone and touchscreen. And I liked the picture.
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Post by cheesy on Feb 19, 2015 21:44:20 GMT -5
Ah yes, Minority Report.
I look forward to the day of reviewing files via a room-sized holographic flatscreen and then issuing one-word decisions on small polished wooden balls.
Although, ODAR, if you're looking for computer competency, I built my own computer (with three monitors like I used to have at my old agency) and I used to chop up old laptops to turn them into digital picture frames (running Linux). Just for fun! Something tells me Bob and I will be the ones with the soldering irons providing informal tech support (aka "powercycling") at our respective offices.
Sent from my iPhone 6+
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Post by sandiferhands (old) on Feb 19, 2015 21:46:16 GMT -5
Bob, I was going to post a reply to your earlier post about Windows 8, but I see you already discovered Classic Shell (not to be confused with Chocolate Fudge Hard Shell). I have a touch-screen laptop by Dell with Windows 8. I couldn't STAND the silly phone-like, "swipe" interface and the lack of information or menus. When I got Classic Shell it really opened up Windows 8 and I think it has been a good OS for me. BTW, I did the iPhone for about 4 years and then switched to the Android last year. I have to call the race for Android overall. I like configurability in my devices, and Apple is worse than a helicopter mom about making choices for you. But Apple does handle some things more smoothly, and I miss Siri. Looking forward to discussing these things with you in Falls Church next month and boring the stuffing out of our classmates.
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Post by chessparent on Feb 19, 2015 22:20:40 GMT -5
Zzzzzzzzzzz....course it did take me over two years to figure out how to create an avatar.
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Post by chessparent on Feb 19, 2015 22:21:39 GMT -5
Microwave bake-off in my suite!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 23:26:42 GMT -5
You were hired due to the back log. Many others that did not and will not get hired would have been a better Judge than you or I. Some people can use some technology better than others. That has nothing to do with their ability to do the mental work we were hired to do. Trust me, there are Judges that still use handwritten instructions. To require them to use eBB or leave would be a change in work conditions and would not stand up in Court. We have outstanding Judges that use Dragon Natural and that isn't working with eBB. Some would say Dragon Natural would be the future. In the Agency, one man's dream becomes reality, for a while. And then intelligent people point out the error of their ways. We have gone through many changes and yet we seem to return to what works the best. Time will tell. I am not positive, but I believe that their is not one Judge in my office that uses eBB. JMHO.. Bartleby, I hear what you are saying, but you always seem to have a problem with management or technology.
And no, I was not hired because of the backlog, I was hired because my NOR score (thanks to my vet pref points) placed me in the top of my register, I made the first CERT and I pass the interviews with both OMHA and ODAR and got job offers from both Agencies. I would say more, but I'm trying to be a kinder, nicer tiger.
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Post by alj on Feb 19, 2015 23:43:31 GMT -5
TigerLaw: Actually, your score from OPM made not one bit of difference to the agency. You were given an offer based on other factors, as you mentioned. Your score only made you more accessible to the agency.
The NOR does one thing: It puts a candidate in consideration. Other factors get the offer.
So, let's be a kinder and more gentle Tiger.
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Post by agilitymom on Feb 20, 2015 6:47:50 GMT -5
But it was the score that got us in front of the judges (kind of like on "The Voice" -- only not). From a non-eBB fight standpoint, it does appear that the Agency may be somewhat shifting in its hiring demographic. If it were'nt important it wouldn't have been a major consideration like it seems to have been. Just observing that the world is moving on and we must either adapt or perish. Life according to H.G. Wells.
"Adapt or perish, now as ever, is nature's inexorable imperative." - H. G. Wells
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 7:19:14 GMT -5
Must wholeheartedly agree. My score, GAL, interview etc, admittedly I guess put me up in first class. All that was a complete aside as without divulging more than casual conversation, my background (setting up a paperless office decade(s) ago then going 100% virtual last decade appeared to be the major, if not the central point, of interest in how to, how did, what if, etc. I would surmise that for current and especially future applicants the more tech savvy you are the more interest you will garner. IMHO that is why more and more ALJ new hires have absolutely no experience or knowledge of SSA but do have great tech adaptability. Much more efficient to train and get going a tech savvy new hire in how to do SSA using that tech than it is to try to train an SSA savvy new hire in how to adapt and use new technology.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Feb 20, 2015 8:29:39 GMT -5
TigerLaw: Actually, your score from OPM made not one bit of difference to the agency. You were given an offer based on other factors, as you mentioned. Your score only made you more accessible to the agency. The NOR does one thing: It puts a candidate in consideration. Other factors get the offer. So, let's be a kinder and more gentle Tiger. Those of us with certain scores may feel a little differently as we sit and watch those with higher scores get dance tickets. I do understand what you mean, but as I wait in the very long line with no date.... I for one am not feeling the love just yet. I completely understand what Tiger is saying (he is just a bit gruff sometimes). If my score had been higher like his, I may have had a shiny new title on my name badge by now. Just sayin...
I (and MANY others) are still waiting on that "consideration."
Respectfully,
Sratty
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