Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 11:51:13 GMT -5
Batdog, Gaidin, Sratty, luckylady2, Funky and others made some great points, I only wanted the ODAR gig. It gets me to where my wife wanted to live, but I was willing to take another agency job and did say yes to the pre-offer... but my time line was much tighter than yours will ever be. Had I been in your shoes, I would have done the same thing, accept the first job offered and lived with it; these are all great jobs with lifetime appointment. The only choice you have at this point is to say no to the other agency and hope for ODAR if that's your preferred Agency. Good luck with your decision. Tiger
|
|
|
Post by lawdog77 on Apr 19, 2015 13:50:19 GMT -5
I am a long time Board watcher, and would like to thank the Board for the information. I do have a question: How can SSA hire for the new cities before the interviews are conducted for the first time cert people with the new cities? I could see that happening for cities that have appeared before, but not the first time a city has been on a cert. Wouldn't seem fair to the new cert people. Although this is a strange process, so who knows.
|
|
|
Post by Pixie on Apr 19, 2015 14:02:20 GMT -5
I am a long time Board watcher, and would like to thank the Board for the information. I do have a question: How can SSA hire for the new cities before the interviews are conducted for the first time cert people with the new cities? I could see that happening for cities that have appeared before, but not the first time a city has been on a cert. Wouldn't seem fair to the new cert people. Although this is a strange process, so who knows. Fairness doesn't enter into the equation. Pix.
|
|
|
Post by gary on Apr 19, 2015 14:06:08 GMT -5
I am a long time Board watcher, and would like to thank the Board for the information. I do have a question: How can SSA hire for the new cities before the interviews are conducted for the first time cert people with the new cities? I could see that happening for cities that have appeared before, but not the first time a city has been on a cert. Wouldn't seem fair to the new cert people. Although this is a strange process, so who knows. It all depends on who the top 3 scorers are at the time they select for the particular position. If they've got a top 3 for a position in which all 3 have already interviewed, they can hire regardless of whether the city it's in has a cert for the first time during this Register.
|
|
|
Post by 71stretch on Apr 19, 2015 14:17:16 GMT -5
I am a long time Board watcher, and would like to thank the Board for the information. I do have a question: How can SSA hire for the new cities before the interviews are conducted for the first time cert people with the new cities? I could see that happening for cities that have appeared before, but not the first time a city has been on a cert. Wouldn't seem fair to the new cert people. Although this is a strange process, so who knows. It all depends on who the top 3 scorers are at the time they select for the particular position. If they've got a top 3 for a position in which all 3 have already interviewed, they can hire regardless of whether the city it's in has a cert for the first time during this Register. This.
|
|
|
Post by moopigsdad on Apr 19, 2015 14:18:25 GMT -5
The issue here is many of these cities have been on previous certs and SSA can hire for those cities without any interviews. It is likely SSA will do some hiring to fill the May start date, then do interviews and finish hiring for the late June/early July start date IMHO.
|
|
|
Post by gary on Apr 19, 2015 14:20:28 GMT -5
I am a long time Board watcher, and would like to thank the Board for the information. I do have a question: How can SSA hire for the new cities before the interviews are conducted for the first time cert people with the new cities? I could see that happening for cities that have appeared before, but not the first time a city has been on a cert. Wouldn't seem fair to the new cert people. Although this is a strange process, so who knows. Fairness doesn't enter into the equation. Pix. Thats funny. You don't look like my Dad.
|
|
|
Post by Pixie on Apr 19, 2015 15:06:47 GMT -5
Ha, took me a second to get it. My Father used to say the same thing.
|
|
|
Post by Gaidin on Apr 19, 2015 15:17:46 GMT -5
I am a long time Board watcher, and would like to thank the Board for the information. I do have a question: How can SSA hire for the new cities before the interviews are conducted for the first time cert people with the new cities? I could see that happening for cities that have appeared before, but not the first time a city has been on a cert. Wouldn't seem fair to the new cert people. Although this is a strange process, so who knows. Between Pixie, gary, and moopigsdad they have answered the question as well as it can be answered. I want to add though that unless and until we get some people who are higher on the register than us out of the way the interviews will be perfunctory. There are 62 cities on these certs and some of them will have more than one hire but unless you can squeeze into the top 3 scorers for one of those slots your interview and references are never going to matter. So don't begrudge them getting 20 or 30 people out of the way. Instead cheer them on.
|
|
|
Post by lawdog77 on Apr 19, 2015 15:41:02 GMT -5
Thank you. Your responses are much appreciated and very useful. Good luck to all!
|
|
|
Post by gary on Apr 19, 2015 15:48:53 GMT -5
Thank you. Your responses are much appreciated and very useful. Good luck to all! And good luck to you!
|
|
|
Post by 71stretch on Apr 19, 2015 16:42:43 GMT -5
If there are high scorers with small GALS including the "new" cities, who have not interviewed yet, they may well get a slot in the later class(es) if they do well in the interview, as they will "bump" people with lower scores and wider GALs out of what otherwise might be the top three for those cities, and those cities will not be included in the May class.
|
|
|
Post by dpageks on Apr 19, 2015 18:07:30 GMT -5
It is my understanding that ODAR will be conducting interviews (for those not yet interviewed) the week of May 11. There was a published report date of June 29; therefore, is seems there would be a class starting in Falls Church around July 20.
|
|
|
Post by luckylady2 on Apr 19, 2015 18:35:53 GMT -5
Welcome to the board, lawdog! In case you didn't pick this up - you only get 1 interview with ODAR, and it comes after you make your first cert. If you name comes up again for an ODAR slot, you won't be interviewed again, and ODAR can just consider you WHEN you come up as one of the top 3 scorers for that city. ODAR doesn't hire without having interviewed first.
So - there's a bunch of folks that have already been interviewed, and for cities for which the top 3 scorers have all been interviewed, ODAR can just proceed to making offers, and this is the most likely group they'll tap to fill the class that's anticipated to start in mid-May.
If you've gotten the email telling you that you're on an ODAR city cert and you haven't had your interview yet, you'll be in the running for later classes.
The regs require ODAR to hire from the top three scorers, and when they pull certs, it's in descending score order, so it's not so much unfair as a function of the top-3 rule. If one of the top-3 hasn't been interviewed, ODAR has to wait until it has interviewed all of the top 3 for that city. But it doesn't have to wait to hire among the top 3 when someone further down the list (ie not in contention for this round) hasn't been interviewed yet.
|
|
|
Post by moopigsdad on Apr 20, 2015 8:13:11 GMT -5
Welcome to the board, lawdog! In case you didn't pick this up - you only get 1 interview with ODAR, and it comes after you make your first cert. If you name comes up again for an ODAR slot, you won't be interviewed again, and ODAR can just consider you WHEN you come up as one of the top 3 scorers for that city. ODAR doesn't hire without having interviewed first. So - there's a bunch of folks that have already been interviewed, and for cities for which the top 3 scorers have all been interviewed, ODAR can just proceed to making offers, and this is the most likely group they'll tap to fill the class that's anticipated to start in mid-May. If you've gotten the email telling you that you're on an ODAR city cert and you haven't had your interview yet, you'll be in the running for later classes. The regs require ODAR to hire from the top three scorers, and when they pull certs, it's in descending score order, so it's not so much unfair as a function of the top-3 rule. If one of the top-3 hasn't been interviewed, ODAR has to wait until it has interviewed all of the top 3 for that city. But it doesn't have to wait to hire among the top 3 when someone further down the list (ie not in contention for this round) hasn't been interviewed yet. Luckylady2 you have become a professional at the process. I am happy to have your excellent responses on the Board to help guide others through the process. Thank you for your willingness to contribute to the conversation and help others understand how it all works.
|
|
|
Post by luckylady2 on Apr 20, 2015 11:31:20 GMT -5
Aw shucks, MPD. I learned it all from those that came before me - like you! And the real angels here are ALJD & Pixie, who put lots of time & effort into starting this board & making sure it stays a friendly, informative, spam- free place!
Good luck to everyone as we settle in to stare at our phones this week!
|
|
|
Post by 71stretch on Apr 20, 2015 12:45:51 GMT -5
Aw shucks, MPD. I learned it all from those that came before me - like you! And the real angels here are ALJD & Pixie, who put lots of time & effort into starting this board & making sure it stays a friendly, informative, spam- free place! Good luck to everyone as we settle in to stare at our phones this week! But you have learned well, grasshopper. Good luck, all!
|
|
|
Post by Propmaster on Apr 20, 2015 14:50:50 GMT -5
For whatever it's worth, I put a request for read receipt on my submission of the forms last week, and it was read this afternoon (very recently to this post). I assume they can kind of tell from the contents whether you have declined everything or not, and I sent the GAL in a different e-mail, so maybe they don't need the other forms right away (or maybe they just don't need mine ... ...), but if they are still opening and reviewing forms for potential compliance with the requirements for being considered, I am not sure I would expect calls to start tomorrow.
Having said that, of course, it might just be my call that will not start tomorrow. Or my cities, or what have you.
Knowledge is power.
So, lack of knowledge is...
|
|
|
Post by 71stretch on Apr 20, 2015 15:05:15 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if they start tomorrow. I'm thinking later in the week at the earliest, unless they have done some preliminary work with the cities that have enough high scorers previously interviewed to work with and some idea of the order they will work in.
|
|
|
Post by Propmaster on Apr 20, 2015 16:10:43 GMT -5
For whatever it's worth, I put a request for read receipt on my submission of the forms last week, and it was read this afternoon (very recently to this post). I assume they can kind of tell from the contents whether you have declined everything or not, and I sent the GAL in a different e-mail, so maybe they don't need the other forms right away (or maybe they just don't need mine ... ...), but if they are still opening and reviewing forms for potential compliance with the requirements for being considered, I am not sure I would expect calls to start tomorrow. Having said that, of course, it might just be my call that will not start tomorrow. Or my cities, or what have you. Knowledge is power. So, lack of knowledge is... Addendum: I left the ellipsis hanging to imply knowing silence in the presence of basically a rhetorical question, with the assumption that most people would mentally insert "impotence" or something similar. However; there is insufficient information from which to logically answer the rhetorical question. I suddenly feared that I would have misled people into a logical fallacy by relying on a common misconception, which is NOT something I want it to look like I am doing, especially with this group! Just for clarity, "knowledge is power" is not the same as and does not logically lead to "not knowledge is not power." "Not knowledge" may be its own kind of power, or the presence of knowledge may be sufficient, but not necessary for the presence of power. There is no logically correct answer to complete the ellipsis from the offered premise except "lack of knowledge," other than for humourous effect. Sorry.
|
|