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Post by lifeisbeautiful on Jun 8, 2015 20:40:23 GMT -5
Although I know that I need to move on, I'm so glad to hear that it is not just me feeling this way. Happy for those that were selected, but very sad for myself. Just keep swimming!
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Post by Patience on Jun 8, 2015 23:20:01 GMT -5
Keep in mind that we would not be on this register if we weren't utterly fabulous!
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Post by moopigsdad on Jun 9, 2015 7:53:39 GMT -5
Keep in mind that we would not be on this register if we weren't utterly fabulous! Fabulous for everyone except SSA. (I am speaking about myself here.)
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Post by ibnlurkin on Jun 9, 2015 11:05:35 GMT -5
Assuming this week ends without the call....it could be 2 more months before they shut this cert out and pull another or no ?
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Post by ibnlurkin on Jun 9, 2015 11:10:40 GMT -5
Can you be "struck" more than once on one cert or should I look forward to maybe / probably making one more cert ?
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Post by MW2 on Jun 9, 2015 11:21:52 GMT -5
Assuming this week ends without the call....it could be 2 more months before they shut this cert out and pull another or no ? Impossible to say exactly what the time line will be. Those on this current cert will obviously hope they decide to fill another class off this cert - even if it is not yet scheduled. That could happen within another month or two. If in fact there is a class scheduled for August 10 this year, then it's hard to imagine they would issue another cert and hire for the August date and would probably hire candidates off the current cert. The other possibility is they will send out their Dear Candidate/FOAD emails and obtain another cert from OPM in the next few months. Last year, the first cert Dear Candidate emails were sent out in August, and the next cert came out in November - a little less than three months if I recall correctly. The Dear Candidate emails from the November cert were sent out on March 16 and the notifications for the third cert were sent out on April 13 - a turn around time of less than a month. I think those last Dear Candidate emails were sent out about a month after they stopped making offers. The process has picked up a little bit in terms of turn around time, but I would not expect notifications of a new cert for at least a month.
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Post by MW2 on Jun 9, 2015 11:23:39 GMT -5
Can you be "struck" more than once on one cert or should I look forward to maybe / probably making one more cert ? Several people have been on all three certs so far. Sigh.
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Post by gary on Jun 9, 2015 11:32:27 GMT -5
Can you be "struck" more than once on one cert or should I look forward to maybe / probably making one more cert ? 1. Each city is a separate cert; 2. We are currently on the 3rd set of certs for this register; 3. The number of considerations you receive depends on the number of positions for which you are one of the top 3 scorers for which SSA hires someone other than you; 4. It is possible for a candidate to receive more than 1 consideration on a single cert; 5. If a candidate has received 3 considerations it is within the agency's discretion not to consider that candidate for any future ALJ positions.
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Post by ibnlurkin on Jun 9, 2015 11:40:47 GMT -5
Ah ! Thanks for the clarification x 2. I guess no point in trying to count strikes since even if you only have one city you couldn't know for sure if they even gave you a consideration.
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Post by gary on Jun 9, 2015 11:45:07 GMT -5
Ah ! Thanks for the clarification x 2. I guess no point in trying to count strikes since even if you only have one city you couldn't know for sure if they even gave you a consideration. Even if you receive three considerations they can still decide to hire you for a subsequent position. As long as you keep making certs, you're still in the game.
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 9, 2015 12:04:33 GMT -5
Ah ! Thanks for the clarification x 2. I guess no point in trying to count strikes since even if you only have one city you couldn't know for sure if they even gave you a consideration. Even if you receive three considerations they can still decide to hire you for a subsequent position. As long as you keep making certs, you're still in the game. The 3 strikes rule is discretionary. It doesn't matter if you have dozens or just three it is up to the agency what to do with them. It also doesn't prevent you from getting picked up by a different agency. I believe - someone with a longer tenure please correct me if I am wrong - that there were people on the last register who were picked up after they had been three struck.
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Post by gary on Jun 9, 2015 12:11:01 GMT -5
Even if you receive three considerations they can still decide to hire you for a subsequent position. As long as you keep making certs, you're still in the game. The 3 strikes rule is discretionary. It doesn't matter if you have dozens or just three it is up to the agency what to do with them. It also doesn't prevent you from getting picked up by a different agency. I believe - someone with a longer tenure please correct me if I am wrong - that there were people on the last register who were picked up after they had been three struck. The considerations do not carry over to a position with another agency.
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Post by Pixie on Jun 9, 2015 12:24:15 GMT -5
Yes, the Three Strike rule is discretionary with the agency. Pixie.
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Post by 71stretch on Jun 9, 2015 13:14:30 GMT -5
It is discretionary, but if an agency asks for all the three strikers it has considered to be eliminated from future certs, that makes it way less unlikely that they would exercise their discretion to give a particular person another look. It would be an all or nothing deal- leave them all on, and we will decide what to do with each one, or leave them all off until we tell you otherwise.
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Post by ibnlurkin on Jun 9, 2015 13:19:10 GMT -5
I cant see them having time to FOAD and recert in the 60 days between now and 8/10 especially if paperwork and references are resubmitted and the transfer list would have to worked.
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Post by sealaw90 on Jun 9, 2015 14:34:25 GMT -5
I cant see them having time to FOAD and recert in the 60 days between now and 8/10 especially if paperwork and references are resubmitted and the transfer list would have to worked. Correct. Considering that there are almost half the cities of the April list that are awaiting a fill, my prediction is those will be filled for the August 10 start date. ODAR may then work the transfer list or request new city certs to fill a September class. Given that OPM has been slow, Bob and his folks need to request new certs now if they plan on using them for September (or even October). My wish is for everyone to get on a new city cert, and that my cities show up on the next certs!!
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Post by Missundaztood on Jun 9, 2015 15:09:59 GMT -5
The 3 strikes rule is discretionary. It doesn't matter if you have dozens or just three it is up to the agency what to do with them. It also doesn't prevent you from getting picked up by a different agency. I believe - someone with a longer tenure please correct me if I am wrong - that there were people on the last register who were picked up after they had been three struck. The considerations do not carry over to a position with another agency. True 'dat. C'mon OMHA budget!!!
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Post by christina on Jun 9, 2015 17:42:33 GMT -5
love that movie Gaidan!
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Post by Propmaster on Jun 10, 2015 11:51:01 GMT -5
It is discretionary, but if an agency asks for all the three strikers it has considered to be eliminated from future certs, that makes it way less unlikely that they would exercise their discretion to give a particular person another look. It would be an all or nothing deal- leave them all on, and we will decide what to do with each one, or leave them all off until we tell you otherwise. I don't think it is all or nothing - I think they actually give a specific list of names that they have considered and don't want re-sent. OPM has no way of knowing who got three considerations unless SSA gives them names (or at least it would be very hard to figure out). If I recall my numerous rejection letters correctly, there were clear distinctions between "we did not get down to your score in consideration" and "we considered you but did not select you." Assuming the wording still differs based on whether you were actually in contention for a slot, you might be able to know that you did not get considered yet by the wording of the rejection. Let me see if I still have those... EDIT: Hmmm. I cannot find any evidence I am correct about this. I seem certain in my memory that I can recall being changed from unconsidered to unselected, but the assortment of letters I have going back to 2010 all say, "We are sorry to advise that you were not selected for the Administrative Law Judge position with the Social Security Administration, Office of Disability Adjudication and Review. Thank you for your patience during this process." I do not have my earliest ones because I used a work e-mail at an old job. So, maybe, ignore my entire post; sorry. Unless someone else can corroborate?
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Post by 71stretch on Jun 10, 2015 12:28:47 GMT -5
It is discretionary, but if an agency asks for all the three strikers it has considered to be eliminated from future certs, that makes it way less unlikely that they would exercise their discretion to give a particular person another look. It would be an all or nothing deal- leave them all on, and we will decide what to do with each one, or leave them all off until we tell you otherwise. I don't think it is all or nothing - I think they actually give a specific list of names that they have considered and don't want re-sent. OPM has no way of knowing who got three considerations unless SSA gives them names (or at least it would be very hard to figure out). If I recall my numerous rejection letters correctly, there were clear distinctions between "we did not get down to your score in consideration" and "we considered you but did not select you." Assuming the wording still differs based on whether you were actually in contention for a slot, you might be able to know that you did not get considered yet by the wording of the rejection. Let me see if I still have those... EDIT: Hmmm. I cannot find any evidence I am correct about this. I seem certain in my memory that I can recall being changed from unconsidered to unselected, but the assortment of letters I have going back to 2010 all say, "We are sorry to advise that you were not selected for the Administrative Law Judge position with the Social Security Administration, Office of Disability Adjudication and Review. Thank you for your patience during this process." I do not have my earliest ones because I used a work e-mail at an old job. So, maybe, ignore my entire post; sorry. Unless someone else can corroborate? All my letters have read exactly the same too. I think they are given a specific list of names, but I would assume that list includes the names of everyone they have considered three times, without leaving off people they might consider looking at again in the future.
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