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Post by Ace Midnight on Feb 2, 2016 11:58:20 GMT -5
Words fail me. Surely this provides grounds for appeal for folks not selected in her original location, as well as perhaps Oak Park and Detroit. ODAR has, effectively, replaced OPM's procedure for one of their own, as well as spiking the union's transfer rules (although there are not hordes of folks lining up to transfer to Detroit).
I mean, effectively, if she (and ODAR) had followed the rules, she would likely be on her way back to Detroit by now as it is - or very soon. It is difficult to stomach there is one set of rules for those with political influence and yet another for everyone else, but this isn't new, unique or completely unexpected.
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Post by lizdarcy on Feb 2, 2016 12:16:19 GMT -5
If that information is correct, it is serious. It would be a reason for some ALJs to think about filing grievances. There are ALJs who need to transfer for compelling health or family reasons but cannot because of the contractual language.
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Post by Propmaster on Feb 2, 2016 12:18:37 GMT -5
If that information is correct, it is serious. It would be a reason for some ALJs to think about filing grievances. There are ALJs who need to transfer for compelling health or family reasons but cannot because of the contractual language. Yes, ALJSouth said that a grievance has been filed. I assume those are not public record.
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Post by gary on Feb 2, 2016 12:25:32 GMT -5
I really don't think there is nefarious machinations at work here but rather the inarticulate language used by a news source (and this is rare right?).
I think it merely says that Judge X will go to training then "go" to their permanent place of business...vice get notified of their new place of business once training is completed.
While I am not sure how things are going right now - I actually reported to my permanent duty location two weeks before training - so I obviously knew of where I was going.
I chalk this up to reporting and trusting they use precision in their reporting. OK. Sorry but your trusting nature is misplaced. The Judges Union filed a grievance about this. Tobin was assigned to specific location as per OPM rules. She never appeared at that site but apparently is from a political family and SOMEHOW she wss allowed to sit in Oak Park, MI very close to her home till she went to training. There was a Judge on the transfer list for that site [Oak Park]. Tobin was then stashed in Detroit and no one on the transfer list wanted to transfer to Detroit at the time. Meanwhile, the site OPM had as her permanent location was ordered to keep her time as if she were actually present. So the Agency has violated OPM rules, lying to OPM and covering up that Tobin never appeared at the site to which OPM had her assigned, all to get her to a site she likes better. Hope you enjoy a long stint in some out of the way spot in your first tour as an ALJ, unless you have political juice, then you can go where you want right away. From what she apparently told the reporter, not only did she not appear at the site for which she was hired, but it was never intended that she appear there. Am I missing something here?
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Post by Propmaster on Feb 2, 2016 12:31:47 GMT -5
OK. Sorry but your trusting nature is misplaced. The Judges Union filed a grievance about this. Tobin was assigned to specific location as per OPM rules. She never appeared at that site but apparently is from a political family and SOMEHOW she wss allowed to sit in Oak Park, MI very close to her home till she went to training. There was a Judge on the transfer list for that site [Oak Park]. Tobin was then stashed in Detroit and no one on the transfer list wanted to transfer to Detroit at the time. Meanwhile, the site OPM had as her permanent location was ordered to keep her time as if she were actually present. So the Agency has violated OPM rules, lying to OPM and covering up that Tobin never appeared at the site to which OPM had her assigned, all to get her to a site she likes better. Hope you enjoy a long stint in some out of the way spot in your first tour as an ALJ, unless you have political juice, then you can go where you want right away. From what she apparently told the reporter, not only did she not appear at the site for which she was hired, but it was never intended that she appear there. Am I missing something here? That sounds correct. She apparently failed to keep up a pretense that I bet SSA expected her to maintain that she was going to the assigned location. She probably didn't know at the time if her immediate transfer would be to Oak Park or Detroit permanently, perhaps, or maybe was still trying to finagle what she wanted. Once again, we miss having Tiger Law available to point out the difference between what management says and what management does. I hope the grievance results in horrible punishment for the agency - like 60 days of posting in a prominent location a written promise not to do it again. They hate that, and it always fixes the problem.
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Post by Gaidin on Feb 2, 2016 12:50:08 GMT -5
I guess my question is if you accept this what is your basis for not accepting it in the future?
I have said repeatedly that I will go where I am sent and do the job they send me to do. I have never really felt entitled to more than that. However, clearly not everybody feels the same way.
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Post by prescient on Feb 2, 2016 14:49:37 GMT -5
so if we know a few connected peeps, we can request whatever office we want? sweet!
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Post by yellowbird on Feb 2, 2016 15:05:42 GMT -5
Very interesting.
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Post by bartleby on Feb 2, 2016 16:20:45 GMT -5
Children, when will you get it? ODAR does as ODAR wants. If you think this is something, wait until you look at the Reg's, Rules, POMS, Hallex, Dicta, etc. People say I shouldn't interpret this, just follow it. When it is as confusing, contradictory, and convoluted as it is, one must try to interpret it. And then the Appeals Council also does at it wants and sends back a perfectly good decision on some hockey puck... Wait, what's hockey got to do with it? Here, kitty, kitty. Been one of those days. Couldn't print for most of it. Try getting your hearing notes out without printing them or your script... But I always digress... Carry on.
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Post by aljwishhope on Feb 2, 2016 20:56:47 GMT -5
As far as connections the anonymous folks on this board are the closest i got. And i would not even remember who if someone asked. I might be able to say i know hapi2beALj as he used to be hopebeAlj.
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Post by quesera on Feb 4, 2016 9:04:04 GMT -5
Grievance Relief of asking for 60 days posting is not enough.
I wonder if the ALJ Union can ask for a revamped hiring placement system.
A system that avoids this kind of scenario: ALJ #1 hired for ODAR office A, 1000 miles away from her family. Meanwhile ALJ #2 is hired for ODAR office B, 2000 miles away from his home, but it is 200 miles away from the home of ALJ #1. ALJ #1 would have relocated to ODAR #2 with her husband and children, and stayed there. But no, both ALJs transfer to offices C and D, leaving office B short an ALJ, yet again.
Or is it just too complicated?
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Post by Gaidin on Feb 4, 2016 9:52:36 GMT -5
Grievance Relief of asking for 60 days posting is not enough. I wonder if the ALJ Union can ask for a revamped hiring placement system. A system that avoids this kind of scenario: ALJ #1 hired for ODAR office A, 1000 miles away from her family. Meanwhile ALJ #2 is hired for ODAR office B, 2000 miles away from his home, but it is 200 miles away from the home of ALJ #1. ALJ #1 would have relocated to ODAR #2 with her husband and children, and stayed there. But no, both ALJs transfer to offices C and D, leaving office B short an ALJ, yet again. Or is it just too complicated? Too complicated because of the Rule of Three.
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