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Post by tonypitt on Feb 11, 2016 21:26:10 GMT -5
Thanks
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Post by sealaw90 on Feb 22, 2016 16:05:08 GMT -5
Does it matter if one uploads their resume or uses a USA jobs resume? Making sure all the bases are covered... You need to do what you think is best. You need to submit your application if and when the time comes. Not sure these are questions that should be answered. If you have several years of litigation experience, you should know how to think on your feet. Making sure your bases aren't covered more than anyone else's ...
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Post by phoenixrakkasan on Feb 22, 2016 16:38:19 GMT -5
Does it matter if one uploads their resume or uses a USA jobs resume? Making sure all the bases are covered... You could do it!
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Post by luckylady2 on Feb 22, 2016 18:46:33 GMT -5
Does it matter if one uploads their resume or uses a USA jobs resume? Making sure all the bases are covered... I looked at the info that the USA jobs resume compiled and then at my usual business one, and I decided that the USA Jobs one had more of the info that the application requested on it already and I'd have to do significant editing of my business resume to add some of that info. You'll have to judge for yourself.
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Post by Lawesome on Feb 28, 2016 0:08:29 GMT -5
I was wondering whether anyone submitted the optional document detailing significant cases. The previous announcement indicated they want contact information for the judge and opposing counsel. I was involved in a couple State Supreme Court cases a few years back, and I'd like to call attention to them. My problem is that I'm pretty sure the Court doesn't remember me (as much as I hate to admit it ). It feels strange putting their contact information down. I'm thinking of just quickly discussing the cases in my resume rather than the optional submission, but I was curious if anyone did the optional submission and left off the contact info for the opposing atty/judge. And yes... this is how I spend my Saturday nights. I'm trying to get everything in order before the application opens. It appears the optional statement has no bearing on actually getting on the register, but I saw it is submitted to hiring agencies. Thanks in advance!
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Post by Pixie on Feb 28, 2016 10:34:14 GMT -5
When I went through the process, I believe they contacted the attorneys and judges I listed in the significant cases section. The bureaucrat grading your application may not even appreciate the significance of a Supreme Court argument.
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Post by Lawesome on Feb 28, 2016 11:37:41 GMT -5
When I went through the process, I believe they contacted the attorneys and judges I listed in the significant cases section. The bureaucrat grading your application may not even appreciate the significance of a Supreme Court argument. Thanks, Pixie.
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Post by mamaru on Feb 28, 2016 13:43:34 GMT -5
Does it matter if one uploads their resume or uses a USA jobs resume? Making sure all the bases are covered... What matters is that you (1) provide the information they ask for and (2) word it in such a way that someone with a HS education can tell if you did it. I think it's fair to say that most business resumes or USAJobs resumes already uploaded are not going to highlight the credentials you bring to this position and will require significant editing to focus on the background and experience that will show your potential judginess.
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Post by pumpkin on Feb 28, 2016 20:37:26 GMT -5
I was wondering whether anyone submitted the optional document detailing significant cases. The previous announcement indicated they want contact information for the judge and opposing counsel. I was involved in a couple State Supreme Court cases a few years back, and I'd like to call attention to them. My problem is that I'm pretty sure the Court doesn't remember me (as much as I hate to admit it ). It feels strange putting their contact information down. I'm thinking of just quickly discussing the cases in my resume rather than the optional submission, but I was curious if anyone did the optional submission and left off the contact info for the opposing atty/judge. And yes... this is how I spend my Saturday nights. I'm trying to get everything in order before the application opens. It appears the optional statement has no bearing on actually getting on the register, but I saw it is submitted to hiring agencies. Thanks in advance! I submitted it as part of my Application package, including the names and contact numbers of opposing counsel and the judges. If you have the time, why not put it together and submit it? It certainly can't hurt. I don't believe that they actually called the judges or opposing counsel from that submission, as nobody reported having been contacted. They more than made up for that, however, when they contacted every single person on my references form toward the end of the process: judges; opposing counsel; former and current employers; and personal references. I can't say that submitting the list of significant cases had an impact one way or the other, but I did just check into the hotel in Pentagon City tonight and will start Baby ALJ school tomorrow morning, so it clearly didn't hurt my chances. Good luck!
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Post by phoenixrakkasan on Feb 28, 2016 21:10:16 GMT -5
I was wondering whether anyone submitted the optional document detailing significant cases. The previous announcement indicated they want contact information for the judge and opposing counsel. I was involved in a couple State Supreme Court cases a few years back, and I'd like to call attention to them. My problem is that I'm pretty sure the Court doesn't remember me (as much as I hate to admit it ). It feels strange putting their contact information down. I'm thinking of just quickly discussing the cases in my resume rather than the optional submission, but I was curious if anyone did the optional submission and left off the contact info for the opposing atty/judge. And yes... this is how I spend my Saturday nights. I'm trying to get everything in order before the application opens. It appears the optional statement has no bearing on actually getting on the register, but I saw it is submitted to hiring agencies. Thanks in advance! I submitted it as part of my Application package, including the names and contact numbers of opposing counsel and the judges. If you have the time, why not put it together and submit it? It certainly can't hurt. I don't believe that they actually called the judges or opposing counsel from that submission, as nobody reported having been contacted. They more than made up for that, however, when they contacted every single person on my references form toward the end of the process: judges; opposing counsel; former and current employers; and personal references. I can't say that submitting the list of significant cases had an impact one way or the other, but I did just check into the hotel in Pentagon City tonight and will start Baby ALJ school tomorrow morning, so it clearly didn't hurt my chances. Good luck! Hotel? I got no hotel! I pitched a tent right outside HQ. Ready to Rock n' Roll!
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Post by Lawesome on Feb 28, 2016 21:57:53 GMT -5
Thanks, Pumpkin. I've drafted the document, and I'm also going to mention the cases in my resume. I've decided that even if the Court doesn't remember me, I know the opposing counsel will. He can provide some insight. Good luck at training!!! Thanks to everyone on this board for providing help and encouragement throughout this process. It is much appreciated!
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Post by montyburns on Feb 28, 2016 22:04:34 GMT -5
I was wondering whether anyone submitted the optional document detailing significant cases. The previous announcement indicated they want contact information for the judge and opposing counsel. I was involved in a couple State Supreme Court cases a few years back, and I'd like to call attention to them. My problem is that I'm pretty sure the Court doesn't remember me (as much as I hate to admit it ). It feels strange putting their contact information down. I'm thinking of just quickly discussing the cases in my resume rather than the optional submission, but I was curious if anyone did the optional submission and left off the contact info for the opposing atty/judge. And yes... this is how I spend my Saturday nights. I'm trying to get everything in order before the application opens. It appears the optional statement has no bearing on actually getting on the register, but I saw it is submitted to hiring agencies. Thanks in advance! I submitted it as part of my Application package, including the names and contact numbers of opposing counsel and the judges. If you have the time, why not put it together and submit it? It certainly can't hurt. I don't believe that they actually called the judges or opposing counsel from that submission, as nobody reported having been contacted. They more than made up for that, however, when they contacted every single person on my references form toward the end of the process: judges; opposing counsel; former and current employers; and personal references. I can't say that submitting the list of significant cases had an impact one way or the other, but I did just check into the hotel in Pentagon City tonight and will start Baby ALJ school tomorrow morning, so it clearly didn't hurt my chances. Good luck! So if I may, how significant does the case need to be? I've never had a petition for cert granted by the State Supreme Court, but I've had several Court of Appeals cases, one that was published. I don't really see these cases as any more or less significant than other cases. I mean, I did not establish some ground breaking precedent or anything, or get an innocent man off death row. To me, these were all "just another case." But I suck at self-promotion, so I am interested to hear what others thought that their "significant" cases were.
And in the "it couldn't hurt" vein, uhhh really? I for one have a hard time accepting that opposing counsel in any case would ever say anything good about me, because they have zero motivation to do so. Not that I am a horrible person to deal with, and I think I got along pretty well with the OCs I dealt with on the regular, but do I really want to hang my future on the opinions of an insurance defense attorney? Seems dicey.
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Post by tripper on Feb 28, 2016 22:24:14 GMT -5
Does anyone have experience with references/oc checks at the first stage? Mine were not. It seems to me (and I don't have any special info) that at the Initial stages they take you at your word (although your words need to be precise). From what I understand, there is no check until you receive a NOR. Do I understand that correctly?
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Post by 71stretch on Feb 28, 2016 23:26:18 GMT -5
Does anyone have experience with references/oc checks at the first stage? Mine were not. It seems to me (and I don't have any special info) that at the Initial stages they take you at your word (although your words need to be precise). From what I understand, there is no check until you receive a NOR. Do I understand that correctly? OPM does not check those references. If you use any of those same people on your reference list you file once you make an ODAR cert, then the ODAR contractor calls them and asks those standard questions discussed elsewhere here.
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Post by pumpkin on Feb 29, 2016 7:36:14 GMT -5
I submitted it as part of my Application package, including the names and contact numbers of opposing counsel and the judges. If you have the time, why not put it together and submit it? It certainly can't hurt. I don't believe that they actually called the judges or opposing counsel from that submission, as nobody reported having been contacted. They more than made up for that, however, when they contacted every single person on my references form toward the end of the process: judges; opposing counsel; former and current employers; and personal references. I can't say that submitting the list of significant cases had an impact one way or the other, but I did just check into the hotel in Pentagon City tonight and will start Baby ALJ school tomorrow morning, so it clearly didn't hurt my chances. Good luck! Hotel? I got no hotel! I pitched a tent right outside HQ. Ready to Rock n' Roll! Well look for us as we pull up in the bus – just wave!
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Post by pumpkin on Feb 29, 2016 21:12:21 GMT -5
I submitted it as part of my Application package, including the names and contact numbers of opposing counsel and the judges. If you have the time, why not put it together and submit it? It certainly can't hurt. I don't believe that they actually called the judges or opposing counsel from that submission, as nobody reported having been contacted. They more than made up for that, however, when they contacted every single person on my references form toward the end of the process: judges; opposing counsel; former and current employers; and personal references. I can't say that submitting the list of significant cases had an impact one way or the other, but I did just check into the hotel in Pentagon City tonight and will start Baby ALJ school tomorrow morning, so it clearly didn't hurt my chances. Good luck! So if I may, how significant does the case need to be? I've never had a petition for cert granted by the State Supreme Court, but I've had several Court of Appeals cases, one that was published. I don't really see these cases as any more or less significant than other cases. I mean, I did not establish some ground breaking precedent or anything, or get an innocent man off death row. To me, these were all "just another case." But I suck at self-promotion, so I am interested to hear what others thought that their "significant" cases were.
And in the "it couldn't hurt" vein, uhhh really? I for one have a hard time accepting that opposing counsel in any case would ever say anything good about me, because they have zero motivation to do so. Not that I am a horrible person to deal with, and I think I got along pretty well with the OCs I dealt with on the regular, but do I really want to hang my future on the opinions of an insurance defense attorney? Seems dicey.
A case was significant to me if I accomplished something out of the ordinary, persuaded a jurist to change his/her mind on an issue, briefed/argued an issue of first impression, or felt a personal sense of justice being done as a direct result of my efforts. I didn't base it on my most notorious cases. If you can articulate why a certain case was significant to you, IMHO I think that's the standard. I understand the reticence in listing the names of the opposing counsel and judges in your significant cases. You don't want someone to torpedo your application in revenge for a hard fought battle in the courtroom. However, confronting head-on the question of what opposing counsel might say about you is good preparation for the ultimate reference check in this process where you have to provide the names of three opposing counsel whom the OPM investigator will definitely call. While opposing counsel may not have liked the fact that their client was convicted, or that I refused to budge on a sentencing issue, I am confident that every one of them without fail said that I was fair and honest, and that I worked hard. I've been called many things by the defense bar; that's the nature of adversarial proceedings. If you search the threads on this board for them, I'm sure you can find the post which lists all of the questions which were asked of the references after the NOR is issued, including the opposing counsel references. I'm sure there are ALJ's who were hired and who did not submit a list of significant cases. You have to weigh the information your opposing counsel and judges might provide about those cases if called, and decide what is best for you. I can only say that it worked for me, or more accurately, that it did not hurt me to have done it. Good luck!
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