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Post by foghorn on Aug 24, 2017 12:01:23 GMT -5
I noticed the posting allows a person on the register to provide an "updated résumé and/or Optional Listing of Significant Litigation and/or Administrative Law Cases."
Is there any benefit to this at this point? As in making yourself look better if you had any second thoughts about forgetting that case where you reached the Court of Appeals ? Doing a rewrite to provide clarity, things that may make you look better?
At a minimum it's an invite to reread what you submitted, perhaps bleary eyed, back when, remove any typos that might get some judge ticked off.
Just sayin'
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Post by christina on Aug 24, 2017 12:08:42 GMT -5
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Post by bayou on Aug 24, 2017 12:09:05 GMT -5
I noticed the posting allows a person on the register to provide an "updated résumé and/or Optional Listing of Significant Litigation and/or Administrative Law Cases."
Is there any benefit to this at this point? Given that they don't even call all of your references, I expect that reviewing your resume is pretty low on the list. If you had a promotion from a 13 to 14, 14 to 15, or something like that, ( edit i would update. Otherwise, ) I wouldn't bother. That is just my thought and I have no inside knowledge about what the HC looks at, so take it with a grain of salt.
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Post by rp on Aug 24, 2017 12:12:18 GMT -5
I noticed the posting allows a person on the register to provide an "updated résumé and/or Optional Listing of Significant Litigation and/or Administrative Law Cases."
Is there any benefit to this at this point? Given that they don't even call all of your references, I expect that reviewing your resume is pretty low on the list. If you had a promotion from a 13 to 14, 14 to 15, or something like that, I wouldn't bother. That is just my thought and I have no inside knowledge about what the HC looks at, so take it with a grain of salt. I believe bayou is right on -- with respect to SSA. However, without revealing too much, I will tell you that other agencies DO read your resume - and they read it closely. So -- if you are thinking about other possible ALJ positions -- updating your resume may make sense - but only in that context. Just my $.02.
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Post by bayou on Aug 24, 2017 12:22:38 GMT -5
Given that they don't even call all of your references, I expect that reviewing your resume is pretty low on the list. If you had a promotion from a 13 to 14, 14 to 15, or something like that, I wouldn't bother. That is just my thought and I have no inside knowledge about what the HC looks at, so take it with a grain of salt. I believe bayou is right on -- with respect to SSA. However, without revealing too much, I will tell you that other agencies DO read your resume - and they read it closely. So -- if you are thinking about other possible ALJ positions -- updating your resume may make sense - but only in that context. Just my $.02. Thanks rp. I do indeed have tunnel vision toward SSA in that response.
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Post by jonsnow on Aug 24, 2017 12:35:45 GMT -5
I noticed the posting allows a person on the register to provide an "updated résumé and/or Optional Listing of Significant Litigation and/or Administrative Law Cases."
Is there any benefit to this at this point? Given that they don't even call all of your references, I expect that reviewing your resume is pretty low on the list. If you had a promotion from a 13 to 14, 14 to 15, or something like that, ( edit i would update. Otherwise, ) I wouldn't bother. That is just my thought and I have no inside knowledge about what the HC looks at, so take it with a grain of salt. Are you using this generically to mean you moved into a new position or would you reflect your pay grade on your resume? Mainly I ask because I have never done this and now wonder if I should have.
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Post by SEP on Aug 24, 2017 14:36:32 GMT -5
I noticed the posting allows a person on the register to provide an "updated résumé and/or Optional Listing of Significant Litigation and/or Administrative Law Cases."
Is there any benefit to this at this point? As in making yourself look better if you had any second thoughts about forgetting that case where you reached the Court of Appeals ? Doing a rewrite to provide clarity, things that may make you look better?
At a minimum it's an invite to reread what you submitted, perhaps bleary eyed, back when, remove any typos that might get some judge ticked off.
Just sayin'
The day before the testing in D.C. I realized I had one of my bar admission dates listed incorrectly. Doh! So, yeah, I'll be updating my documents as well as expanding that GAL! Still may not get me on any certs with my score, but it's worth a try!
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Post by Mermaid on Aug 24, 2017 14:48:25 GMT -5
As in making yourself look better if you had any second thoughts about forgetting that case where you reached the Court of Appeals ? Doing a rewrite to provide clarity, things that may make you look better?
At a minimum it's an invite to reread what you submitted, perhaps bleary eyed, back when, remove any typos that might get some judge ticked off.
Just sayin'
The day before the testing in D.C. I realized I had one of my bar admission dates listed incorrectly. Doh! So, yeah, I'll be updating my documents as well as expanding that GAL! Still may not get me on any certs with my score, but it's worth a try!
So now that you have a score and are waiting to make a cert you plan to point out to OPM that there is a tiny little insignificant flaw in one of your responses to the assessment questionnaire???
Remember all those fellow applicants that did not pass the first stage of the examination due to minor issues with their responses to the bar admission question???
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Post by SEP on Aug 24, 2017 15:00:40 GMT -5
The day before the testing in D.C. I realized I had one of my bar admission dates listed incorrectly. Doh! So, yeah, I'll be updating my documents as well as expanding that GAL! Still may not get me on any certs with my score, but it's worth a try!
So now that you have a score and are waiting to make a cert you plan to point out to OPM that there is a tiny little insignificant flaw in one of your responses to the assessment questionnaire???
Remember all those fellow applicants that did not pass the first stage of the examination due to minor issues with their responses to the bar admission question???
I would not want them to think I had the opportunity to correct a misstatement and chose to leave inaccurate information on my application?
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Post by foghorn on Aug 24, 2017 15:02:44 GMT -5
The day before the testing in D.C. I realized I had one of my bar admission dates listed incorrectly. Doh! So, yeah, I'll be updating my documents as well as expanding that GAL! Still may not get me on any certs with my score, but it's worth a try!
So now that you have a score and are waiting to make a cert you plan to point out to OPM that there is a tiny little insignificant flaw in one of your responses to the assessment questionnaire???
Remember all those fellow applicants that did not pass the first stage of the examination due to minor issues with their responses to the bar admission question???
Better you correct it than they grab it--and what got most people was leaving out the day of the month of the admission. My point is that some judges think if you have a typo in the day of autocorrect (even though that knows as much about language as does Dragon), you are therefore guilty of not proofreading therefore they drop points. Likewise you may see that you had a chance to put some information about a topic they want to hear about in it. Maybe it won't help, but my experience doing a variety of resumes for a variety of agencies and firms is I am continually reminded about factoids from my legal career that I had forgotten, or found a different way to frame them. For instance I forgot that one of my earlier trials resulted in a published opinion --and it was a winner. Just forgot about it so added it to a list of "published cases." If you are having non-structured, real life interviews, this process is a great help in internalizing all the self agrandizing gloss & dross that you normally don't refer to in everyday legal life (I hope). Wiser and more experienced personae will tell you if OPM has ever reached back to disqualify someone based on a later corrected fact in a subsequent resume. I hightly doubt it. OPM may be nitpicky, but they have a job to do and will in the next week have a tsunami of resumes. But everyone has their own priorities.
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Post by Mermaid on Aug 24, 2017 15:12:41 GMT -5
So now that you have a score and are waiting to make a cert you plan to point out to OPM that there is a tiny little insignificant flaw in one of your responses to the assessment questionnaire???
Remember all those fellow applicants that did not pass the first stage of the examination due to minor issues with their responses to the bar admission question???
I would not want them to think I had the opportunity to correct a misstatement and chose to leave inaccurate information on my application?
Maybe I misunderstood. If the misstatement is on your resume then by all means correct the resume and resubmit it.
If the error, however, was in your response to the question in the assessment questionnaire (which is what OPM reviews in deciding whether to pass someone on to the next phase of testing) my understanding is that writing something in the resume to explain away an error in the assessment questionnaire is not going to help you. I could be wrong about that, but I am not aware of any mechanism one can use to revise what was submitted in the initial application. Perhaps someone else on the Board has more information on this.
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Post by foghorn on Aug 24, 2017 15:36:23 GMT -5
If you note posts by BlondSwede & Southerngal, Mermaid seems to be right on that one. Both had easily verifiable issues--years in litiagation, status as judicial /inactive but active due to working with the AGs office under a statutory exception--and not only could they not correct, at least one appeal was denied the other still hanging! So no, a resume won't. But if you had 3 more years of litigation experience since your last resume, even if it's cumulative, given the above experiences I'd say rewrite, add, buff to a high gloss, detail so the little mirroring words sparkle like sycophantic diamonds before their eyes. If nothing else, it refreshes your recollection for the SI, any interviews, any cover letters.
Enjoy! and remember.......it's not a process.......it's a lifestyle!
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Post by foghorn on Aug 24, 2017 15:37:24 GMT -5
sorry,it was supposed to have the title bar "OPM karaoke"
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Post by SEP on Aug 24, 2017 16:21:20 GMT -5
I would not want them to think I had the opportunity to correct a misstatement and chose to leave inaccurate information on my application?
Maybe I misunderstood. If the misstatement is on your resume then by all means correct the resume and resubmit it.
If the error, however, was in your response to the question in the assessment questionnaire (which is what OPM reviews in deciding whether to pass someone on to the next phase of testing) my understanding is that writing something in the resume to explain away an error in the assessment questionnaire is not going to help you. I could be wrong about that, but I am not aware of any mechanism one can use to revise what was submitted in the initial application. Perhaps someone else on the Board has more information on this.
The error was on the resume, which then became an error I compounded by listing the same incorrect information in the assessment questionnaire. I am admitted to the bar in question but listed my notification date [November] when in fact my license reflects admission the first week of December --- a difference of less than a month. As Mermaid suggested, not necessarily significant in the grand scheme of things... but a stupid error I would rather own up to than be caught over.
Did I mention my superpower is overthinking things?
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Post by ssa on Aug 24, 2017 19:13:13 GMT -5
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Post by rp on Aug 25, 2017 8:53:11 GMT -5
Maybe I misunderstood. If the misstatement is on your resume then by all means correct the resume and resubmit it.
If the error, however, was in your response to the question in the assessment questionnaire (which is what OPM reviews in deciding whether to pass someone on to the next phase of testing) my understanding is that writing something in the resume to explain away an error in the assessment questionnaire is not going to help you. I could be wrong about that, but I am not aware of any mechanism one can use to revise what was submitted in the initial application. Perhaps someone else on the Board has more information on this.
The error was on the resume, which then became an error I compounded by listing the same incorrect information in the assessment questionnaire. I am admitted to the bar in question but listed my notification date [November] when in fact my license reflects admission the first week of December --- a difference of less than a month. As Mermaid suggested, not necessarily significant in the grand scheme of things... but a stupid error I would rather own up to than be caught over.
Did I mention my superpower is overthinking things?
The others that have commented are right on. It is worth correcting in your resume because other Agencies look closely at your resume when making hiring decisions if you should make a cert for another Agency. But as foghorn has noted -- you can't undo it on the application.
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Post by bubbleguppie on Aug 25, 2017 9:14:14 GMT -5
Nope sorry. I wish it were. I didn't even get 1 number.
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Post by SEP on Aug 29, 2017 9:39:30 GMT -5
Thanks Bayou. For those that can't open the attachment, it says: NOTE: If you are currently on the ALJ register, you have the option to change your selected geographical location(s) during the job opportunity announcement open period. To change your selection(s), an email stating your request to change your selected locations, must be sent to aljapplication@opm.gov with "2017 GEO CHANGE REQUEST" in the subject line. Such requests will only be honored if they are received during the job opportunity announcement open period. After receiving your email request, you will be sent a form listing all geographical locations for ALJ positions associated with the current examination. You must complete this form and send it back to aljapplication@opm.gov within one week from the date of the email containing the form. Your noted preferences will become your new geographic locations of record and will replace all of your previous selections. Once this announcement closes, you will not be able to submit a request to change your selected geographical location(s) until the next ALJ announcement open period. I sent my email to them on 8/24 but still haven't received a follow-up email with the forms? (and it didn't go to my spam folder?) Anyone else not receive the form after sending their request?
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Post by rp on Aug 29, 2017 9:44:56 GMT -5
Thanks Bayou. For those that can't open the attachment, it says: NOTE: If you are currently on the ALJ register, you have the option to change your selected geographical location(s) during the job opportunity announcement open period. To change your selection(s), an email stating your request to change your selected locations, must be sent to aljapplication@opm.gov with "2017 GEO CHANGE REQUEST" in the subject line. Such requests will only be honored if they are received during the job opportunity announcement open period. After receiving your email request, you will be sent a form listing all geographical locations for ALJ positions associated with the current examination. You must complete this form and send it back to aljapplication@opm.gov within one week from the date of the email containing the form. Your noted preferences will become your new geographic locations of record and will replace all of your previous selections. Once this announcement closes, you will not be able to submit a request to change your selected geographical location(s) until the next ALJ announcement open period. I sent my email to them on 8/24 but still haven't received a follow-up email with the forms? (and it didn't go to my spam folder?) Anyone else not receive the form after sending their request? That didn't happen to me, but it did happen to others. Did you get any response at all? If so, reply to that email "above the line" as it asks you to do. If not, I would request again. You don't want to miss the 7 day deadline for submission. It is seven days from the date you get the forms.
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Post by SEP on Aug 29, 2017 9:50:57 GMT -5
Thanks RP, I got the initial response email indicating my request was received, but no follow up with the documents necessary to actually make the changes.
I'll send a new email this morning and see what happens.
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