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Post by Pixie on Jul 25, 2020 13:57:44 GMT -5
Pixie, why were you a passenger in jeep riding with a driver "where alcohol was involved"? Shameless! A girl's gotta have her fun every now and then. |
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Post by tom b on Jul 27, 2020 12:16:20 GMT -5
This post always attracts my interest. Every now and then I have to respond.
Call me whatever you like, but I really hate the term "JAG Officer." I hate even more the term "JAG." Both terms are used, usually erroneously, in referring to judge advocates.
The Army, the Air Force, the Navy, and recently the Coast Guard have one officer who is The Judge Advocate General. The Army puts an exclamation point on the person by referring to the incumbent as "The TJAG." Each one of those officers (LTG, Lt Gen, VADM, and RADM, respectively) oversees a corps of uniformed attorneys. In the Coast Guard, those officers are "commissioned officers designated for special duty (law)." In the Army and the Navy, the respective officers are members of the Judge Advocate General's Corps. In the Marine Corps and the Air Force, they are referred to as officers "designated as [] judge advocate. See Article 1, UCMJ, 10 U.S.C. section 801. (I'm not smart enough to insert section symbols).
Every time I see the term "JAG," I set off on a crying jag. I guess that's the price I pay for having spent 28 years in uniform practicing law.
Respectfully, Tom B |
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Post by tom b on Jul 27, 2020 12:16:54 GMT -5
Although I guess I am clumsy enough to strike through text . . . .
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Post by Pixie on Jul 27, 2020 12:30:21 GMT -5
tom b in the future instead of referring to them as JAG Officers, we should refer to them as Members of the Judge Advocate General's Corps? Seems like quite the mouthful. Pixie
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Post by tom b on Jul 27, 2020 12:46:02 GMT -5
"Judge Advocates." Maybe a little imprecise, given the way the different services refer to them, but perhaps less imprecise than "JAG" or "JAG Officer."
Respectfully, Tom B
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Post by Pixie on Jul 27, 2020 16:44:29 GMT -5
But when we refer to them as JAG or JAG Officers, doesn't everyone know who we are talking about? That's the shorthand version for Judge Advocate General. Do we need to be more precise than that? I mean it isn't as if they are combat arms; they are attorneys, for goodness sakes. Pixie
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Post by jagvet on Jul 27, 2020 19:08:47 GMT -5
OK, folks, I'm taking the bait. I also spent 28 years in uniform as a [wait for it] JAG officer. I don't see what's wrong with it. When I was first commissioned, "JAGC" went on my signature block, later to be replaced with "JA", which I didn't like because it's also German for "yes," and made us seem too agreeable. I never heard anyone else object since the almost 42 years ago since I was commissioned as a JAG, the same day I was admitted to the bar.
The only thing that I disliked about the title "JAG" was that awful TV show of the same name.
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Post by hamster on Jul 28, 2020 7:37:49 GMT -5
I’m with jagvet. I served 20 years on active duty. “JAG” or “JAG officer” is just fine, as far as I am concerned. Just don’t ask if I’m a “real lawyer,” or refer to me as a judge advocate general.
Aim High! Go Air Force!
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Post by jagvet on Jul 28, 2020 8:40:32 GMT -5
I’m with jagvet. I served 20 years on active duty. “JAG” or “JAG officer” is just fine, as far as I am concerned. Just don’t ask if I’m a “real lawyer,” or refer to me as a judge advocate general. Aim High! Go Air Force! hamster , I think you would have been a great judge advocate General (four-star at least!).
I will give tom b this: I did find the "T" in TJAG silly. Since when are articles used in acronyms? There was also OTJAG (Office of...), Acting TJAG, and so on.
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Post by Pixie on Jul 28, 2020 14:19:57 GMT -5
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Post by hamster on Sept 27, 2020 12:03:31 GMT -5
Pixie, I saw this on Facebook just now. I suspect there is at least one grammatical error here, but don’t know for certain. What say you? Would it be “Mothers and Families’ Day”? Respectfully, H  |
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Post by jagvet on Sept 27, 2020 13:26:34 GMT -5
Pixie, I saw this on Facebook just now. I suspect there is at least one grammatical error here, but don’t know for certain. What say you? Would it be “Mothers and Families’ Day”? Respectfully, H Maybe there's only one Gold Star Mother and one Gold Star Family. Maybe it's something like this: Vinny Gambini: "Sure, sure I heard of grits. I've just never actually SEEN a grit before." |
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Post by superalj on Sept 27, 2020 13:51:04 GMT -5
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Post by SPN Lifer on Sept 27, 2020 15:21:42 GMT -5
An example is Mother’s Day. The intent is to celebrate individual gold star mother’s and family’s. While the example and citation are correct, your final sentence uses the words in their plural sense (mothers and families), but with apostrophes. 🙂 |
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Post by Pixie on Sept 27, 2020 16:08:41 GMT -5
An example is Mother’s Day. The intent is to celebrate individual gold star mother’s and family’s. While the example and citation are correct, your final sentence uses the words in their plural sense (mothers and families), but with apostrophes. 🙂 I see the poor apostrophe continues to be abused, both here and elsewhere. I have read the citations cited above, but I'm not persuaded by them. While I celebrate my own Mother's Day, I think the occasion is to honor all Mothers. Thus, it would be plural: Mothers' Day. Just my opinion; your OMV. Pixie. |
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Post by nylawyer on Sept 27, 2020 16:21:52 GMT -5
So, why doesn't Columbus Day get an apostrophe?
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Post by Pixie on Sept 27, 2020 17:02:20 GMT -5
So, why doesn't Columbus Day get an apostrophe? You can give it an apostrophe if you like. Pixie |
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Post by jagvet on Sept 27, 2020 17:02:58 GMT -5
So, why doesn't Columbus Day get an apostrophe? Maybe his real name was Columbu and they forgot they apostrophe when they gave him a "Day.". That said, it's like the old "Take Your Secretary to Lunch Day," which became "Secretary Day," and then, what "Administrative Assistant Day"? The "Day" is not possessive or possessed. "Flag Day," not "Flag's Day." |
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Post by nylawyer on Sept 27, 2020 17:31:36 GMT -5
So, why doesn't Columbus Day get an apostrophe? Maybe his real name was Columbu and they forgot they apostrophe when they gave him a "Day.". That said, it's like the old "Take Your Secretary to Lunch Day," which became "Secretary Day," and then, what "Administrative Assistant Day"? The "Day" is not possessive or possessed. "Flag Day," not "Flag's Day." So Columbus doesn't possess his day, but St. Patrick possesses his? I know of some sons of Italy who might want a word. |
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Post by hamster on Sept 27, 2020 20:59:44 GMT -5
Maybe his real name was Columbu and they forgot they apostrophe when they gave him a "Day.". That said, it's like the old "Take Your Secretary to Lunch Day," which became "Secretary Day," and then, what "Administrative Assistant Day"? The "Day" is not possessive or possessed. "Flag Day," not "Flag's Day." So Columbus doesn't possess his day, but St. Patrick possesses his? I know of some sons of Italy who might want a word. And no apostrophe here either:  |
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