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Post by natethegreat on Dec 2, 2019 14:22:04 GMT -5
Saw those this morning. Sadly most attorney advisers are shut out by the time in grade requirement for both spots.
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Post by uboat on Dec 2, 2019 18:32:10 GMT -5
Virtual AC Judges?! Weird.
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Post by Pixie on Dec 2, 2019 19:38:52 GMT -5
I like this language:
"IN ADDITION, APPLICANTS MUST PROVIDE A SEPARATE PAGE WITH THE APPLICATION WHICH STATES:
DATE OF ADMISSION TO THE BAR INCLUDING MONTH, DAY AND YEAR. PLEASE NOTE IF YOU FAIL TO REFLECT [emphasis added] THAT YOU HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE BAR FOR A MINIMUM OF SEVEN YEARS BY THE CLOSING DATE, YOU WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED."
How do I "reflect" that I have been a member of the bar for 7 years? How do I "reflect" anything? That's a new one on me. Maybe it needs to go in the Pet Peeves of the English Language thread?
Do they mean I need to "indicate" that, "establish" that or perhaps to "state" that? Does that mean a separate declarative sentence is required to establish the fact I have been a member of the bar for 7 years? Perhaps I should state in a separate sentence, using all caps of course, "I HEREBY REFLECT THAT I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE BAR FOR A MINIMUM OF SEVEN YEARS." Perhaps it needs its own paragraph? Yeah, that'll do it. Pixie
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Post by hopefalj on Dec 2, 2019 19:59:56 GMT -5
You can reflect things as easy as you can address issues. Under definition of reflect: "to make manifest or apparent : SHOW" I know, I know... Merriam-Webster continue's to mangle you're English language.  |
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Post by lawbird on Dec 2, 2019 20:17:51 GMT -5
I can contribute my cockatiel’s old mirror, into which he delighted bashing his head repeatedly. Kind of like this process.
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Post by Pixie on Dec 2, 2019 22:48:35 GMT -5
You can reflect things as easy as you can address issues. Under definition of reflect: "to make manifest or apparent : SHOW" I know, I know... Merriam-Webster continue's to mangle you're English language. I cannot stand the "new" Merriam Webster dictionary. I absolutely refuse to adopt that definition of reflect just as I do not "address issues." Issues are to be discussed and resolved. I have no idea how to "address" them. Government bureaucrats are the cause of this. The English language began its mangling process when they gained power. They are part of the Deep State and need to be addressed and eventually eliminated. I had just settled down with a glass of Chardonnay, now you have gotten me riled up. I will be a long time getting to bed tonight. Fortunately I don't have an early morning appointment tomorrow. Pixie |
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Post by ALJCandidate on Dec 3, 2019 11:31:31 GMT -5
The postings state that the positions are classified as excepted service. If an applicant is otherwise qualified and is currently under competitive service, would the applicant lose the protections they may have?
Would the excepted service be temporary and when the term is up they would return to competitive service?
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Post by Pixie on Dec 3, 2019 13:05:09 GMT -5
The postings state that the positions are classified as excepted service. If an applicant is otherwise qualified and is currently under competitive service, would the applicant lose the protections they may have? Would the excepted service be temporary and when the term is up they would return to competitive service? As to the first part, if it says excepted service, I would think that is what it means, and competitive service protections, whatever they may be, would be lost. As to the second part, I don't have any idea. The way the Agency seems to want to get rid of all competitive service, it may take a lawsuit to regain the preferred status. A HR specialist will have a better feel for it than me. Pixie |
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Post by natethegreat on Dec 3, 2019 13:53:02 GMT -5
The postings state that the positions are classified as excepted service. If an applicant is otherwise qualified and is currently under competitive service, would the applicant lose the protections they may have? Would the excepted service be temporary and when the term is up they would return to competitive service? Aside from ALJs, how many competive service internal positions exist that are likely to be occupied by attorneys? |
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Post by SPN Lifer on Dec 3, 2019 16:19:09 GMT -5
Once having served in the Competitive Service, that would seem to make you eligible for future Competitive Service openings, even if currently in the Excepted Service or out of federal service completely.
That is an inference to be drawn from JVAs calling for submission of forms SF-50 indicating Competitive Service status.
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Post by natethegreat on Dec 4, 2019 9:33:55 GMT -5
Aside from ALJs, how many competive service internal positions exist that are likely to be occupied by attorneys? None (assuming you are referring to attorney positions only).
Exactly. So unless we have an attorney with qualifying legal experience and time-in-grade who is serving in a non-attorney competitive service position within SSA, the point of competitive service conversion does not even arise. I am sure at least one exists, but it sounds like a remote concern.
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Post by nappyloxs on Dec 4, 2019 21:40:04 GMT -5
The postings state that the positions are classified as excepted service. If an applicant is otherwise qualified and is currently under competitive service, would the applicant lose the protections they may have? Would the excepted service be temporary and when the term is up they would return to competitive service? Aside from ALJs, how many competive service internal positions exist that are likely to be occupied by attorneys? Deputy Commissioner of Operations is an attorney. Of course she is an SES now, but she was RC of Region 10, which is competitive service. There are a few other managers who have law degrees in operations and SES positions. Odds are they prefer management or else they would have already been an ALJ. |
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Post by natethegreat on Dec 5, 2019 8:19:33 GMT -5
Aside from ALJs, how many competive service internal positions exist that are likely to be occupied by attorneys? Deputy Commissioner of Operations is an attorney. Of course she is an SES now, but she was RC of Region 10, which is competitive service. There are a few other managers who have law degrees in operations and SES positions. Odds are they prefer management or else they would have already been an ALJ. Thanks for the information and agreed on the your final sentence.
Ultimately, as much as some may feel the "sky is falling" whenever excepted service is brought up, the reality is for attorneys, being in competitive service is the exception rather than the rule.
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Post by Pixie on Dec 5, 2019 8:30:13 GMT -5
Deputy Commissioner of Operations is an attorney. Of course she is an SES now, but she was RC of Region 10, which is competitive service. There are a few other managers who have law degrees in operations and SES positions. Odds are they prefer management or else they would have already been an ALJ. Thanks for the information and agreed on the your final sentence.
Ultimately, as much as some may feel the "sky is falling" whenever excepted service is brought up, the reality is for attorneys, being is competitive service is the exception rather than the rule.
Or perhaps they can't meet the seven year requirement? Pixie |
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Post by rightspeech on Jun 16, 2020 9:47:05 GMT -5
www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/570676400
Imagine being in OAO.
Over here singing the OHO Blues.
No one in my office and maybe even region has been promoted to a permenant (1+ year) non-management GS-13 position in at least 5 years. |
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Post by AAmillennial on Jun 16, 2020 9:58:52 GMT -5
www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/570676400
Imagine being in OAO.
Over here signing the OHO Blues.
No one in my office and maybe even region has been promoted to a permenant (1+ year) non-management GS-13 position in at least 5 years. Quite frustrating to see this as an OHO AA. I've never worked within OAO, but I wonder how much the duties in the posted position differ from that of OHO AA, particularly of those in an NHC setting that are reviewing files similar to an Attorney Adjudicator and advising or making recommendations to ALJs on a routine basis. |
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Post by rightspeech on Jun 16, 2020 10:17:23 GMT -5
Also never worked in OAO but I know people that do. My understanding is there's little difference in duties just like there's little difference in duties between a regular writer and a non NAT senior attorney. The senior attorneys in my office write the same decisions we write, they've just been here longer. There was a mass promotion some 10 years ago and a lot of people ended up senior attorneys, then TPTB changed and decided they didn't like that position. OAO never came to that conclusion. They get a non-management path to 14 (Appeals Officer), we don't. |
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Post by acttwo on Jun 16, 2020 10:33:49 GMT -5
I like this language: "IN ADDITION, APPLICANTS MUST PROVIDE A SEPARATE PAGE WITH THE APPLICATION WHICH STATES: DATE OF ADMISSION TO THE BAR INCLUDING MONTH, DAY AND YEAR. PLEASE NOTE IF YOU FAIL TO REFLECT [emphasis added] THAT YOU HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE BAR FOR A MINIMUM OF SEVEN YEARS BY THE CLOSING DATE, YOU WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED." How do I "reflect" that I have been a member of the bar for 7 years? How do I "reflect" anything? That's a new one on me. Maybe it needs to go in the Pet Peeves of the English Language thread? Do they mean I need to "indicate" that, "establish" that or perhaps to "state" that? Does that mean a separate declarative sentence is required to establish the fact I have been a member of the bar for 7 years? Perhaps I should state in a separate sentence, using all caps of course, "I HEREBY REFLECT THAT I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE BAR FOR A MINIMUM OF SEVEN YEARS." Perhaps it needs its own paragraph? Yeah, that'll do it. Pixie , if only the rest of the world was as talented in the use of language as you are! So many misunderstandings, and their resulting quarrels, would be eliminated. Late to this party, but when I first read this I thought, "Pixie doesn't reflect; she shines on her own power!" And the same is true of the others on this board. After all, are we not all stars? Smile! |
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Post by nappyloxs on Jun 16, 2020 20:55:38 GMT -5
www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/570676400
Imagine being in OAO.
Over here singing the OHO Blues.
No one in my office and maybe even region has been promoted to a permenant (1+ year) non-management GS-13 position in at least 5 years. They probably decided to convert the detailees to permanent OAO employees. Some will apply and some won’t, so there will be less than 75 openings for OHO attorneys. I haven’t heard too much bad about OAO. Production standards are manageable, assigned to a region, and draft orders as part of the recommendation. The AJs provided positive feedback. OAO has OT and better expanded telework hours at the moment. |
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Post by natethegreat on Jun 16, 2020 21:18:54 GMT -5
www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/570676400
Imagine being in OAO.
Over here singing the OHO Blues.
No one in my office and maybe even region has been promoted to a permenant (1+ year) non-management GS-13 position in at least 5 years. They probably decided to convert the detailees to permanent OAO employees. Some will apply and some won’t, so there will be less than 75 openings for OHO attorneys. I haven’t heard too much bad about OAO. Production standards are manageable, assigned to a region, and draft orders as part of the recommendation. The AJs provided positive feedback. OAO has OT and better expanded telework hours at the moment. Do you mean they intend to promote current OAO permanent employees to GS13 to allow room to permanently hire some of the detailees on later? (Considering this vacancy specifically excludes current OAO detailees from consideration). |
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