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Post by dwesq on Oct 22, 2021 8:11:58 GMT -5
I just got an email about early retirement. I don't get it. Aren't we understaffed? Is so that anti vaxxers can get out early instead of being fired?
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Post by stevil on Oct 22, 2021 9:09:57 GMT -5
Any incentives with the offer, or just waiving the time requirements?
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Post by rightspeech on Oct 22, 2021 10:07:37 GMT -5
no incentives
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Post by fowlfinder on Oct 22, 2021 10:33:19 GMT -5
ALJ early out or other positions?
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Post by rp on Oct 22, 2021 10:38:41 GMT -5
ALJ early out or other positions? All positions. |
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Post by ssaogc on Oct 22, 2021 11:15:34 GMT -5
ALJ early out or other positions? All positions. They have done the math. Very small percent of ALJs that can do the 20 and over 50 or 25 and any age early retirement. And no incentives to boot? Might be less than 25 total ALJs eligible |
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Post by christina on Oct 22, 2021 13:52:13 GMT -5
They have done the math. Very small percent of ALJs that can do the 20 and over 50 or 25 and any age early retirement. And no incentives to boot? Might be less than 25 total ALJs eligible Still this is first time I’ve ever seen this open to aljs at ssa |
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Post by nylawyer on Oct 22, 2021 15:10:51 GMT -5
They have done the math. Very small percent of ALJs that can do the 20 and over 50 or 25 and any age early retirement. And no incentives to boot? Might be less than 25 total ALJs eligible Do the 20 (or 25) years have to be as an ALJ? Or just as a fed? If the latter I would think there would be a huge number who are potentially eligible. Certainly more than 25. If it is entirely as an ALJ, then yeah that's got to be a small number. |
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Post by christina on Oct 22, 2021 15:14:35 GMT -5
They have done the math. Very small percent of ALJs that can do the 20 and over 50 or 25 and any age early retirement. And no incentives to boot? Might be less than 25 total ALJs eligible Do the 20 (or 25) years have to be as an ALJ? Or just as a fed? If the latter I would think there would be a huge number who are potentially eligible. Certainly more than 25. If it is entirely as an ALJ, then yeah that's got to be a small number. I believe it’s any civilian federal work. Not sure how military service plays into the time-it might count on some levels too |
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Post by nylawyer on Oct 22, 2021 15:24:21 GMT -5
Then like I said, that's got to be a lot of ALJs. Really, almost everyone over 50 if their pre-ALJ experience was primarily federal.
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Post by february on Oct 22, 2021 15:37:43 GMT -5
The announcement specifies 20 years of creditable service, including at least 5 years of civilian service. There are many, many ALJs who meet this.
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Post by aboj on Oct 22, 2021 15:43:02 GMT -5
I just got an email about early retirement. I don't get it. Aren't we understaffed? Is so that anti vaxxers can get out early instead of being fired? It's a SWAG, but I suspect you're onto something. Generally speaking, carrots are still cheaper than lawyers, although with the current rate of inflation carrots may be catching up. |
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Post by recoveringalj on Oct 22, 2021 16:13:22 GMT -5
Is this basically VERA without the cash incentive?
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Post by jagvet on Oct 22, 2021 17:50:59 GMT -5
Do the 20 (or 25) years have to be as an ALJ? Or just as a fed? If the latter I would think there would be a huge number who are potentially eligible. Certainly more than 25. If it is entirely as an ALJ, then yeah that's got to be a small number. I believe it’s any civilian federal work. Not sure how military service plays into the time-it might count on some levels too It's standard federal civilian employee time. In order to count military service, you must buy it. Once approved, they backdate your service entry date to make the numbers work. If anyone thinks they want to do that, ACT NOW! When I did it about 15 years ago, it took a few months to get my military time approved and a price set. You will need documentation, like DD214 and for reservists, annual point record. You can buy active duty time. You can also buy reserve active duty for training and other types of duty, but not drill time, and not from while you were a federal civilian employee (because that is already in your time). You should ask that it be expedited so you meet the November deadline. Be prepared to spend a few thousand bucks. It was worth it for me. If you are already eligible to retire, this doesn't apply to you. |
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Post by pumpkin on Oct 22, 2021 18:00:47 GMT -5
Is this basically VERA without the cash incentive? I had to read the email twice because I thought I missed the cash buyout portion. There does not seem to be one. In a prior federal agency they always seem to come with buyout cash between $10K and $40K. |
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Post by TigerLaw on Oct 22, 2021 20:25:42 GMT -5
This is part of the plan that the Union was informed of in that the Agency was trying to determine who would retire as we return to the offices and so this opening allows a greater number of ALJs to consider it, but there is a large number that has the SCT date and service to meet either of the options.
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Post by TigerLaw on Oct 22, 2021 20:28:58 GMT -5
Is this basically VERA without the cash incentive? I had to read the email twice because I thought I missed the cash buyout portion. There does not seem to be one. In a prior federal agency they always seem to come with buyout cash between $10K and $40K. Yes, if you already meet the requirements to retire and I have for a few years, this is an offer that means nothing to you, but some may fit within this offer and be ready to go back to a different job or retire early. I will retire on my own terms at my own time, sometime between 67 to 70. |
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Post by sta on Oct 22, 2021 22:49:41 GMT -5
The current early retirement offer sounds similar to what SSA offered the ALJ corp in August 2008. To be eligible, the sitting ALJ at that time had to have at least 20 years or more of Federal civilian service. When I accepted this offer effective September 1, 2008, I was 58 and lacked 30 years of service, and was not eligible to retire under regular retirement at age 55. I could have continued to work until I turned 60, and could have retired then, but chose not to. I was only employed for about 4 years at SSA and as an ALJ at the time I accepted the offer.
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Post by roymcavoy on Oct 23, 2021 6:53:13 GMT -5
This is part of the plan that the Union was informed of in that the Agency was trying to determine who would retire as we return to the offices and so this opening allows a greater number of ALJs to consider it, but there is a large number that has the SCT date and service to meet either of the options. I think it has to be this. The total number of ALJs nationwide dropped below 1300 as of Aug 30 and there are apparently several more sitting in line to retire. SSA recently sent out a transfer inquiry. Right now, the number of cases does not dictate a hiring need but I am sure SSA doesn’t want to get caught off guard when it sends us back the office and apps go up. |
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Post by noah on Oct 23, 2021 23:44:29 GMT -5
May this be a precursor to a return of the Register, a return of AM, and a 100 plus ALJ hiring from SSA from a new cert in May 2022.
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