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Post by trp888 on May 4, 2022 13:42:01 GMT -5
Received from a board member: Hey Pix, I figured I’d let you send out the following; “Since it is such a topic of discussion, I have learned that the agency IS going to consider ALL applications submitted before the the closing of 11:59 Eastern. The agency is not going to consider only the first 1000 submitted applications.” This is an interesting development that's contrary to what most of us thought. Pixie This also surprises me as all other USAJOBS posts have had a strict cut off at the # posted. Wonder how many applied after the 1,000 cutoff - did the private messenger say where they got their information from? |
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Post by Gaidin on May 4, 2022 14:21:23 GMT -5
Received from a board member: Hey Pix, I figured I’d let you send out the following; “Since it is such a topic of discussion, I have learned that the agency IS going to consider ALL applications submitted before the the closing of 11:59 Eastern. The agency is not going to consider only the first 1000 submitted applications.” This is an interesting development that's contrary to what most of us thought. Pixie This also surprises me as all other USAJOBS posts have had a strict cut off at the # posted. Wonder how many applied after the 1,000 cutoff - did the private messenger say where they got their information from? I know who sent that to Pixie and I believe they're a reliable source. Take that for what it is |
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Post by roymcavoy on May 4, 2022 15:09:33 GMT -5
This also surprises me as all other USAJOBS posts have had a strict cut off at the # posted. Wonder how many applied after the 1,000 cutoff - did the private messenger say where they got their information from? I know who sent that to Pixie and I believe they're a reliable source. Take that for what it is If only to avoid the inevitable lawsuit, it’s a smart call. |
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Post by kastelf on May 4, 2022 15:42:19 GMT -5
I know who sent that to Pixie and I believe they're a reliable source. Take that for what it is If only to avoid the inevitable lawsuit, it’s a smart call. I agree. It felt unfair, particularly to those on the West Coast who would’ve been working for the entire open period and those who took leave, finished their applications, and just missed. This is the right call. I mean, it may have decreased my odds from slim to none, but still the right call. 😏 |
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Post by ba on May 4, 2022 17:09:52 GMT -5
If only to avoid the inevitable lawsuit, it’s a smart call. I agree. It felt unfair, particularly to those on the West Coast who would’ve been working for the entire open period and those who took leave, finished their applications, and just missed. This is the right call. I mean, it may have decreased my odds from slim to none, but still the right call. 😏 We used to say, “all you need is a city and a score.” Now it’s more “all you need is a city and a submission.” If I had to guess, I’d think that they may use this group for at least one hire other than the small one that we know is coming. Stay positive. |
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Post by kastelf on May 4, 2022 17:51:44 GMT -5
I agree. It felt unfair, particularly to those on the West Coast who would’ve been working for the entire open period and those who took leave, finished their applications, and just missed. This is the right call. I mean, it may have decreased my odds from slim to none, but still the right call. 😏 We used to say, “all you need is a city and a score.” Now it’s more “all you need is a city and a submission.” If I had to guess, I’d think that they may use this group for at least one hire other than the small one that we know is coming. Stay positive. Thank you! It sure would be nice. And rereading my own post, I do sound pouty, which was not what I intended. It probably would’ve been better stated as—-even from the viewpoint from someone who does not benefit from it, and may have benefited from the 1000 cutoff, I can only see this as the right and better call and am glad they did it. |
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Post by nylawyer on May 5, 2022 7:07:04 GMT -5
I know who sent that to Pixie and I believe they're a reliable source. Take that for what it is If only to avoid the inevitable lawsuit, it’s a smart call. Unless someone didn't apply because USA jobs indicated it had closed. Didn't that happen at 10:30 pm EST? What exactly did the USA jobs website say? |
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Post by hillsarealive on May 5, 2022 7:40:11 GMT -5
If only to avoid the inevitable lawsuit, it’s a smart call. Unless someone didn't apply because USA jobs indicated it had closed. Didn't that happen at 10:30 pm EST? What exactly did the USA jobs website say? At around that time, the job announcement updated to show a closing date of 4/27 instead of 5/3. So it became clear at that time that SSA would not be taking applications after 4/27. The announcement was ambiguous about whether SSA would consider the first 1000 applications or all applications completed on 4/27. We know the answer now, which is good, but I feel some sympathy for people who rushed their applications to be within the first 1000. |
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Post by mbd on May 5, 2022 8:25:43 GMT -5
Unless someone didn't apply because USA jobs indicated it had closed. Didn't that happen at 10:30 pm EST? What exactly did the USA jobs website say? At around that time, the job announcement updated to show a closing date of 4/27 instead of 5/3. So it became clear at that time that SSA would not be taking applications after 4/27. The announcement was ambiguous about whether SSA would consider the first 1000 applications or all applications completed on 4/27. We know the answer now, which is good, but I feel some sympathy for people who rushed their applications to be within the first 1000. I don’t really understand the rushing sentiment. The thing opened and closed in 12 hours on a workday. You think the person who submitted at 10:31 wasn’t rushing? Everyone was rushing. |
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Post by ssa on May 5, 2022 8:25:46 GMT -5
Unless someone didn't apply because USA jobs indicated it had closed. Didn't that happen at 10:30 pm EST? What exactly did the USA jobs website say? At around that time, the job announcement updated to show a closing date of 4/27 instead of 5/3. So it became clear at that time that SSA would not be taking applications after 4/27. The announcement was ambiguous about whether SSA would consider the first 1000 applications or all applications completed on 4/27. We know the answer now, which is good, but I feel some sympathy for people who rushed their applications to be within the first 1000. I’m pretty sure there was rushing involved for everyone, not just the first 1000. It was only a little over an hour between when it hit 1000 and it closed. The people I know who submitted in that window weren’t spending the whole time polishing their answers — they were working, caring for children, making dinner, handling bedtime, and then rushing their own answers to submit something by 11:59 p.m. I’m sure it would be difficult to tell from one application to the next who rushed to be in the first 1000 vs. who rushed to submit before midnight. |
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Post by hillsarealive on May 5, 2022 9:19:09 GMT -5
At around that time, the job announcement updated to show a closing date of 4/27 instead of 5/3. So it became clear at that time that SSA would not be taking applications after 4/27. The announcement was ambiguous about whether SSA would consider the first 1000 applications or all applications completed on 4/27. We know the answer now, which is good, but I feel some sympathy for people who rushed their applications to be within the first 1000. I’m pretty sure there was rushing involved for everyone, not just the first 1000. It was only a little over an hour between when it hit 1000 and it closed. The people I know who submitted in that window weren’t spending the whole time polishing their answers — they were working, caring for children, making dinner, handling bedtime, and then rushing their own answers to submit something by 11:59 p.m. I’m sure it would be difficult to tell from one application to the next who rushed to be in the first 1000 vs. who rushed to submit before midnight. Sure, I get that--I didn't mean to imply that the people who applied closer to midnight were not rushing. Everyone was rushing. But many people rushed a lot more than they needed to because they were up against what they interpreted as an unknown deadline. Several people on this board for example. Think of it this way. Here are two possible strategies people may have taken on 4/27: 1) Apply ASAP because you don't know when SSA will get to 1000 applications 2) Apply by 11:59 ET Knowing now that SSA will look at all of the applications, which was the better strategy? The answer is clearly (2), whatever your personal circumstances might have been on 4/27. More time is better than less time, Q.E.D. But I can only say this in hindsight. So yeah, I feel some sympathy for people who chose strategy (1), including my spouse and several people on this board. But if SSA had decided to just look at the first 1000, I would have felt really bad for people who chose strategy (2), including a coworker (who would be an awesome ALJ) and many other people on this board. |
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Post by dwesq on May 5, 2022 10:16:57 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure there was rushing involved for everyone, not just the first 1000. It was only a little over an hour between when it hit 1000 and it closed. The people I know who submitted in that window weren’t spending the whole time polishing their answers — they were working, caring for children, making dinner, handling bedtime, and then rushing their own answers to submit something by 11:59 p.m. I’m sure it would be difficult to tell from one application to the next who rushed to be in the first 1000 vs. who rushed to submit before midnight. Sure, I get that--I didn't mean to imply that the people who applied closer to midnight were not rushing. Everyone was rushing. But many people rushed a lot more than they needed to because they were up against what they interpreted as an unknown deadline. Several people on this board for example. Think of it this way. Here are two possible strategies people may have taken on 4/27: 1) Apply ASAP because you don't know when SSA will get to 1000 applications 2) Apply by 11:59 ET Knowing now that SSA will look at all of the applications, which was the better strategy? The answer is clearly (2), whatever your personal circumstances might have been on 4/27. More time is better than less time, Q.E.D. But I can only say this in hindsight. So yeah, I feel some sympathy for people who chose strategy (1), including my spouse and several people on this board. But if SSA had decided to just look at the first 1000, I would have felt really bad for people who chose strategy (2), including a coworker (who would be an awesome ALJ) and many other people on this board. I can definitely attest to this. I got the notice very early and I still rushed like crazy because I was so worried it would close at 1k and I'd miss the window. |
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Post by Prrple on May 5, 2022 10:45:23 GMT -5
If only to avoid the inevitable lawsuit, it’s a smart call. Unless someone didn't apply because USA jobs indicated it had closed. Didn't that happen at 10:30 pm EST? What exactly did the USA jobs website say? The closing date changed to 4/27/2022 around that time, but it did not indicate that is was closed.
The language was clear that the posting would close at 11:59 Eastern on the closing date, and that the closing date would be the earlier of the day that 1000 apps were received or May 3, 2022. At around 10:30 it became clear that the closing date would be 4/27/2022
In the poll I created about this, I copied and pasted the language from the USA jobs website about the 1000 app limit and about the closing date.
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Post by ARobeByAnyOtherName on May 5, 2022 19:25:26 GMT -5
Query for anyone with knowledge etc. (you can PM me if you don't want to post it) --do we know the number of slots they have to fill from this cadre a) now or in the immediate future b) in the fall or some other time? For those new to the process, Gaidin is right and then some. Like the IJ process, much of this process was shrouded in some mystery. Hurry up, then wait. All I can suggest is this point is to check your spam box to assure that your computer didn't divert any message. It does happen. Even a message from an address which you have used! Get into zen. It's a zen process. Re: Junk mail/spam—one stupendous improvement for this application (maybe it’s a feature on all of them in USAJOBS; I have no reason to know) is that there is a list of every email/message that you’ve been sent. No more worrying about messages being missed or getting lost! |
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Post by foghorn on May 6, 2022 11:34:29 GMT -5
ARobeBAON -- is that on the "track my application?"
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Post by Prrple on May 10, 2022 11:39:08 GMT -5
References - do we have any idea of what point in the process the contacting of references would happen?
I am hoping it is AFTER applicants are assessed as to whether they meet the minimum requirements for consideration, like sufficient descriptions of years of experience, having a complete application package, etc. I am also hoping applications will be notified if they meet the minimum requirements for consideration before references are contacted.
Reference checks are going to be a huge volume of work, so it seems possible that the process would be to do that after some narrowing of the field. It certainly worked that way in the old system.
Thoughts?
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Post by mrmojo on May 10, 2022 11:48:33 GMT -5
References - do we have any idea of what point in the process the contacting of references would happen? I am hoping it is AFTER applicants are assessed as to whether they meet the minimum requirements for consideration, like sufficient descriptions of years of experience, having a complete application package, etc. I am also hoping applications will be notified if they meet the minimum requirements for consideration before references are contacted. Reference checks are going to be a huge volume of work, so it seems possible that the process would be to do that after some narrowing of the field. It certainly worked that way in the old system. Thoughts? This is partly a dark process as it's brand new. However, other usajobs.gov postings will generally proceed as 1. Submit Application 2. OPM screens these and applications that meet the qualifications will be referred to the hiring agency. 3. Hiring agency will screen those applications and decide who the best qualified candidates are from that list and reach out for further hiring activity (interviews, etc). I would not expect that your references will be checked unless you are selected for an interview. |
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Post by mcmu72 on May 10, 2022 14:22:14 GMT -5
I wonder if there are any hints in USA JOBS as there were in the past regarding where things are at in the process? I just went to my application and under documents it says "processed." So, I'm not sure if that's good or bad? Any insight anyone?
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Post by Pixie on May 10, 2022 16:12:32 GMT -5
I wonder if there are any hints in USA JOBS as there were in the past regarding where things are at in the process? I just went to my application and under documents it says "processed." So, I'm not sure if that's good or bad? Any insight anyone? No, No, No. This belongs in Application Manager, and only AM. Pixie |
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Post by dshawn on May 10, 2022 18:23:22 GMT -5
To quote the inimitable Shaggy, “It wasn’t me!”
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