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Post by neufenland on May 27, 2022 15:59:27 GMT -5
Not that you kept track of this or anything.  Call me Ahab.... It doesn't work out well for Ahab once he gets the white whale, though. I think you made out better than him. |
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Post by Gaidin on May 27, 2022 22:16:56 GMT -5
It doesn't work out well for Ahab once he gets the white whale, though. I think you made out better than him. Much better. |
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Post by neufenland on Jun 1, 2022 14:04:06 GMT -5
So, it probably is somewhere in the thread, but is the scuttlebutt that OPM will do referrals on this, or no? Or no one has any idea? Interview notices this month?....maybe in a couple of weeks? Not that I expect to get one, but I can try and be happy for others . |
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Post by roymcavoy on Jun 1, 2022 15:57:51 GMT -5
So, it probably is somewhere in the thread, but is the scuttlebutt that OPM will do referrals on this, or no? Or no one has any idea? Interview notices this month?....maybe in a couple of weeks? Not that I expect to get one, but I can try and be happy for others . I looked back and the 2019 version of this process had phone calls to schedule interviews six weeks after the closing of the listing. If that correlation holds true, six weeks would be June 8. Now, the 2019 version also included an email from SSA with several documents that had to be signed and returned (consent to background check, etc). Those emails were sent out 10 days after the app closed and approximately a month before interviews were scheduled (a second email with an additional document was sent out a day or two before interviews were scheduled). I’m not saying the waivers are required, but I have signed them for other agencies since OPM was removed from the process. I offer these two pieces of evidence only to say, “who knows.” |
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Post by foghorn on Jun 3, 2022 15:37:55 GMT -5
As always seems to be the case, it is what it is. And who knows what that really is on this side of the application.
I do wonder, are all government jobs like this? When I've applied for State positions there's much more feedback and process information.
I ask because I realize that it's been a while that I've been at this and in answer to inquiries all I can say, still, is that it is a zen process. Being.....and nothingness.
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Post by Pixie on Jun 3, 2022 22:35:04 GMT -5
Currently the plan is to do interviews in July. Pixie
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Post by Prrple on Jun 4, 2022 10:08:10 GMT -5
Currently the plan is to do interviews in July. Pixie Thank you for this information. I am deeply appreciative to get this data. |
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Post by Spenser on Jun 6, 2022 17:47:26 GMT -5
So, would everyone rather be an SSA ALJ of an Immigration ALJ? Pros and cons to both?
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 6, 2022 18:05:40 GMT -5
So, would everyone rather be an SSA ALJ of an Immigration ALJ? Pros and cons to both? Immigration judges are not ALJs they are AJs. They have fewer protections under the APA. I'm not going to comment on the quality of the two jobs but they're not the same job category. |
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Post by Top Tier on Jun 6, 2022 22:05:11 GMT -5
So, would everyone rather be an SSA ALJ of an Immigration ALJ? Pros and cons to both? Immigration judges are not ALJs they are AJs. They have fewer protections under the APA. I'm not going to comment on the quality of the two jobs but they're not the same job category. Yes, kind of like the hospitality of living on Mars versus the hospitality of living on Earth. But if you are rugged enough to live on Mars, might be the right fit? |
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Post by laboringlawyer on Jun 7, 2022 7:20:27 GMT -5
As always seems to be the case, it is what it is. And who knows what that really is on this side of the application. I do wonder, are all government jobs like this? When I've applied for State positions there's much more feedback and process information. I ask because I realize that it's been a while that I've been at this and in answer to inquiries all I can say, still, is that it is a zen process. Being.....and nothingness. Fogorn--the short answer, at least in my experience, is yes. Once OPM began exercising its dominion over agencies' hiring all hiring became 4 times more complicated. There is no rhyme or reason to how OPM susses out which applications are forwarded to the hiring officials (it is some algorithm I am sure, but it mystifies everyone involved). By the time OPM gets the jobs posted and refers applicants, half the time the hiring needs and or budget for an Agency have changed--so they reevaluate based on projected funding. By the time most agencies reach out to the referred applicants, many applicants have lost interest, or obtained other jobs. It is incredibly frustrating. While the ALJ jobs presumably don't have as many folks losing interest there has to be some level of attrition. I recently was contacted about a job I applied for in August 2021--they were confirming those folks referred were still interested. I am/was, and had to step on my hands not to ask whether the interview and hiring process would be as delayed as their initial response. |
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Post by phoenixrisingALJ on Jun 7, 2022 8:53:53 GMT -5
As always seems to be the case, it is what it is. And who knows what that really is on this side of the application. I do wonder, are all government jobs like this? When I've applied for State positions there's much more feedback and process information. I ask because I realize that it's been a while that I've been at this and in answer to inquiries all I can say, still, is that it is a zen process. Being.....and nothingness. Fogorn--the short answer, at least in my experience, is yes. Once OPM began exercising its dominion over agencies' hiring all hiring became 4 times more complicated. There is no rhyme or reason to how OPM susses out which applications are forwarded to the hiring officials (it is some algorithm I am sure, but it mystifies everyone involved). By the time OPM gets the jobs posted and refers applicants, half the time the hiring needs and or budget for an Agency have changed--so they reevaluate based on projected funding. By the time most agencies reach out to the referred applicants, many applicants have lost interest, or obtained other jobs. It is incredibly frustrating. While the ALJ jobs presumably don't have as many folks losing interest there has to be some level of attrition. I recently was contacted about a job I applied for in August 2021--they were confirming those folks referred were still interested. I am/was, and had to step on my hands not to ask whether the interview and hiring process would be as delayed as their initial response. And as bad as the hiring process is for external candidates- imagine thinking as a fed that transfers between agencies should be smooth, painless and quick. The answer is nope! I switched agencies a few years ago - I must say their hire/decision process was great. You emailed your application and materials to a designated address. They instituted interviews within a 2 week window. 2nd round interview within another 2 or so week window and offer within a week of final interview. I was so impressed with how quickly and smoothly that process was! Then even though I had a written offer - HR reps told me not to give notice until “official” offer made which happens after security clearance and A LOT of paperwork…. Ie once it hit that agency HR office a screaming halt. It took over 3 months of “processing”. (Mind you I had my part done within a week - clearance paperwork - drug test- other miscellaneous forms). And being a fed I worried as October hit - beginning of a new fiscal year - which means if funding for your slot is cancelled - oh well job. In my case all went well. But - really - why such a delay? I understand some delay while clearance updated/upgraded. But the rest of the delay is nuts. Further my situation was not unique- I heard from other laterals they had same issues. Being a fed maybe sped up process by a few weeks. |
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Post by roymcavoy on Jun 7, 2022 9:58:13 GMT -5
I’d imagine these problems are going to be widespread as some of the “little things” that OPM did in the past are probably falling through the cracks as agencies are having to do those things themselves.
There are stories that folks were offered IJ positions this spring for the October Imm Judge but those final approvals are hung up at some stage of approval at DOJ and they might not come on board until Oct. Even though Imm Judges are not ALJs, I think the hiccups in the IJ process are examples of the growing pains an agency can have when it undertakes new duties—or in EIORs case, a vastly larger hiring mechanism.
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Post by neufenland on Jun 7, 2022 10:53:25 GMT -5
So, would everyone rather be an SSA ALJ of an Immigration ALJ? Pros and cons to both? Immigration judges are not ALJs they are AJs. They have fewer protections under the APA. I'm not going to comment on the quality of the two jobs but they're not the same job category. There are a handful of DOJ ALJs in EOIR, though. They do claims against people who illegally employ undocumented persons (I think). There might be some other jurisdictions they cover. Not involved in removal/asylum, though, and of course you are correct that IJs are not APA ALJs. |
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Post by neufenland on Jun 7, 2022 10:55:48 GMT -5
Fogorn--the short answer, at least in my experience, is yes. Once OPM began exercising its dominion over agencies' hiring all hiring became 4 times more complicated. There is no rhyme or reason to how OPM susses out which applications are forwarded to the hiring officials (it is some algorithm I am sure, but it mystifies everyone involved). By the time OPM gets the jobs posted and refers applicants, half the time the hiring needs and or budget for an Agency have changed--so they reevaluate based on projected funding. By the time most agencies reach out to the referred applicants, many applicants have lost interest, or obtained other jobs. It is incredibly frustrating. While the ALJ jobs presumably don't have as many folks losing interest there has to be some level of attrition. I recently was contacted about a job I applied for in August 2021--they were confirming those folks referred were still interested. I am/was, and had to step on my hands not to ask whether the interview and hiring process would be as delayed as their initial response. And as bad as the hiring process is for external candidates- imagine thinking as a fed that transfers between agencies should be smooth, painless and quick. The answer is nope! I switched agencies a few years ago - I must say their hire/decision process was great. You emailed your application and materials to a designated address. They instituted interviews within a 2 week window. 2nd round interview within another 2 or so week window and offer within a week of final interview. I was so impressed with how quickly and smoothly that process was! Then even though I had a written offer - HR reps told me not to give notice until “official” offer made which happens after security clearance and A LOT of paperwork…. Ie once it hit that agency HR office a screaming halt. It took over 3 months of “processing”. (Mind you I had my part done within a week - clearance paperwork - drug test- other miscellaneous forms). And being a fed I worried as October hit - beginning of a new fiscal year - which means if funding for your slot is cancelled - oh well job. In my case all went well. But - really - why such a delay? I understand some delay while clearance updated/upgraded. But the rest of the delay is nuts. Further my situation was not unique- I heard from other laterals they had same issues. Being a fed maybe sped up process by a few weeks. Oh...that sounds like DOJ  . |
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Post by golden on Jun 7, 2022 15:44:32 GMT -5
Heads up: Emails went out to applicants asking for forms to be completed (due date 6/13) with the following note:
Additionally, please be advised that you will soon be contacted to schedule an interview. Interviews will be conducted via MS Teams.
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Post by ssa on Jun 7, 2022 15:58:02 GMT -5
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Post by monopoly on Jun 7, 2022 16:27:14 GMT -5
Heads up: Emails went out to applicants asking for forms to be completed (due date 6/13) with the following note: Additionally, please be advised that you will soon be contacted to schedule an interview. Interviews will be conducted via MS Teams. Well this is an excessively exciting development for those who received emails. Good luck to those who get to interview! |
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Post by rocco1 on Jun 7, 2022 17:51:24 GMT -5
I am assuming all emails have gone out and if none received by now none will be received
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Post by christina on Jun 7, 2022 17:54:16 GMT -5
I am assuming all emails have gone out and if none received by now none will be received No don’t assume that and GOOD LUCK 🍀 to all 😀 |
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