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Post by 71stretch on Aug 9, 2011 15:12:59 GMT -5
71stretch: Therein lies the rub; because while I agree with you, I also don't think that they can sell a 26-35 hire cert as supplemental to another 30 person cert. With 30 people off of the June cert, the remaining pool just wouldn't support a hire as large as is being reported here. I'm predicting (with absolutely no information other than what I've read here) that if the next hire goes, it will be a true cert, with a new GAL run, new list of eligibles, etc. aljwishful: If it's a "true" cert they do, however, in the past ODAR has run a "supplemental" cert in which a few extra positions were filled; sometimes no one even knew they had been considered for the supplemental until they were called with an offer. I don't think it's going to be a supplemental either, if the hire is that large and may involve cities we didn't see on either of the last two certs. I'd rather see it happen that way... the supplemental certs like last year's are just too mysterious.
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Post by getready on Aug 9, 2011 15:18:06 GMT -5
There were a lot of people (like me) who were on what I guess we are calling the May cert, got the rejection letter, and then didn't make the June cert. I would like to be optimistic and think that we might be considered for these new 26 slots, but I think that Bartleby is right, they'll probably only use the June cert because the rejection letter rather definitely stated that we weren't chosen for a Soc Sec ALJ position, but that we were still on OPM's register. Actually, those who were on the June certificate and were not hired already got rejection emails. See Twinkie's post above.
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Post by tricia on Aug 9, 2011 15:52:15 GMT -5
Getready - okay, I see. All the non-selectees from the May and June certs got the rejection email. Does that mean that there has to be a new cert? It sounds like if it's a new cert, the possibles will be notified that they are being considered, and if it's a supplemental cert, they won't. Right?
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Post by tigerfan on Aug 9, 2011 16:58:19 GMT -5
Unless they have a new cert they cannot consider or hire for cities that were not on the June cert.
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Post by doodlemom on Aug 10, 2011 14:36:04 GMT -5
Anyone have any new info about when the new cert is coming? By next week? Or even better by the end of this week? I can't even believe I am letting myself get excited about it again.
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Post by aljsouth on Aug 10, 2011 14:54:28 GMT -5
Unless they have a new cert they cannot consider or hire for cities that were not on the June cert. Tigerfan is correct. I do not think the term that we are using - "supplemental" cert -actaully exists. To OPM they provide cerfications of names to a federal agency for ALJ positions in specified locations. It is immaterial to OPM if the agency is "rounding out" a recent hiring class or starting what the agency considers a new round of hirings. We tend to use the term supplemental as referring to a smaller hire ancillary to a recent round of hiring. If the agency wants to fill positions already on the existing certification they can do if they wish from that list [ or can call for a new cert]. But an agency may not hire for any location unless OPM has certified a list of names for that location. It certainly makes sense that if you have to ask for new cerification because of vacancies in some locations, you go ahead and ask for a list for all locations with vacancies you are considering filling.
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Post by twinkie on Aug 10, 2011 15:55:05 GMT -5
plus it would make sense that if there were new additions to the list requiring interviews they would create a new cert, right? How else would they include the most recent veteran additions?
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Post by ALJD on Aug 10, 2011 16:07:35 GMT -5
Info from a reliable source: new certificate, interviews for 1st time candidates forthcoming.
Good luck to all!
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Post by vacuum on Aug 10, 2011 16:54:43 GMT -5
Does anyone know if transfer offers are being made in anticipation of the new certificate? Or has the new certificate already been requested from OPM?
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Post by vacuum on Aug 10, 2011 17:03:32 GMT -5
Has anyone on the inside heard that ALJ's are being sought for another training class, and if so, when?
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Post by doodlemom on Aug 10, 2011 17:58:37 GMT -5
Info from a reliable source: new certificate, interviews for 1st time candidates forthcoming. Good luck to all! Thanks for the update!
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Post by bartleby on Aug 10, 2011 19:16:23 GMT -5
As little as I know, which is next to nothing, I don't believe they can get a new cert and hire off of it until they have offered the positions to transfer elgible ALJ's. I think they can get around that by using the old cert and maybe the positions they are filling were on the last cert and just didn't get filled, ie., Toledo, etc?? I may be wrong, but I am basing this on common sense and past practices of the Agency. If they fill slots that could have been filled with transferees there would be no end to the grievances. So far as I can tell there have been no offers to tranferees. I was led to believe this hiring would be almost immediately and therefore no times for interviews, etc. I might be terribly wrong, but as usual, JMHO..
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Post by aljsouth on Aug 10, 2011 20:19:45 GMT -5
As little as I know, which is next to nothing, I don't believe they can get a new cert and hire off of it until they have offered the positions to transfer elgible ALJ's. I think they can get around that by using the old cert and maybe the positions they are filling were on the last cert and just didn't get filled, ie., Toledo, etc?? I may be wrong, but I am basing this on common sense and past practices of the Agency. If they fill slots that could have been filled with transferees there would be no end to the grievances. So far as I can tell there have been no offers to tranferees. I was led to believe this hiring would be almost immediately and therefore no times for interviews, etc. I might be terribly wrong, but as usual, JMHO.. I have heard of one transfer offer out west. I know of one HOCALJ who was asked to sit on an interview panel near the end of September so a new certificate appears underway.
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Post by bartleby on Aug 11, 2011 4:41:10 GMT -5
Aljsouth's information brings new facts to light and makes a whole different scenario possible. So, now, I would assume that some transfers will open up, interviews will happen and a new cert will spring forth and the new ALJ's will not be incorporated into the September class, but will probably have a class of their own thereafter. A lot of my prior assumptions were based on the thought that the new hires would be rushed into the September class, but that now seems erroneous. This seems as plausible as it can. So, humble opinion changes and we now move on into a slightly longer waiting game than anticipated. This is like playing a 3-D game of chess with invisible pieces. Somewhat entertaining, but frustrating to those with a stake in the game. Anyhow, best of luck to all of those waiting and hoping for a shot at the best job in the world (Again, JMHO)..
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Post by booney58 on Aug 11, 2011 6:43:49 GMT -5
Also frustrating to those of us who DON'T have a stake in the game yet i.e. the rest of us who are waiting for the registry to re-open so we can apply (hope I have my terminology right). No offense, folks, but just how many more certs are going to come from this existing registry?!? Yeah, yeah, I know OPM is considering revising the application or the exam, there are hiring freezes and budget cuts ad nauseum...it's just frustrating as heck not being able to throw my hat in the ring. Especially when I look at some of the morons in my office who are being called "ALJs" and have no clue what they're doing. But, I won't stir up that hornet's nest any further!
Bartleby, I miss you big time and hope you are doing well.
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Post by 71stretch on Aug 11, 2011 15:50:46 GMT -5
We are all just guessing, but I'm betting this will be the last hire from this register. If OPM is already doing site visits, etc., a new process may be ready by sometime next year, who knows exactly when.
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Post by Propmaster on Aug 12, 2011 6:40:22 GMT -5
We are all just guessing, but I'm betting this will be the last hire from this register. If OPM is already doing site visits, etc., a new process may be ready by sometime next year, who knows exactly when. Agreed. I assume SSA is shoehorning this hire in because they've been told the register will be allowed to expire this fall and they won't be able to hire for a while.
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Post by tricia on Aug 12, 2011 10:28:59 GMT -5
Propmaster, as long as everyone is guessing, is it your guess that this hire will also be heavily weighted toward Soc. Sec. attorneys?
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Post by arkstfan on Aug 12, 2011 15:23:50 GMT -5
Let's consider the factors in play. Possible new testing method which would probably mean once its adopted you are looking at close to nine months before you can do a new hire (assuming time to accept applications, evaluate those applications, having some sort of second stage evaluation of testing and/or interviews, time to issue a certificate, agency interview of all candidates on the new certificate and then selection).
That means if you don't get a hire done before the register expires you have no way to replace for attrition until that new process is complete.
Another issue is you have the fiscal year ending September 30 and probably no chance that a budget will be adopted at that point and a real risk that it could take some time to get a CR agreed to.
Assuming interviews last week of August you are now hard up against some time issues.
Report dates have always been the start of a regular pay period. September 25 (Monday the 26th actually) is your last pay period that starts prior to the FY change. If you select on the 9th and started calling the next Monday or Tuesday you are looking at less than two weeks to report. If you select by Sept 2 you can start calling on the 6th and 7th.
If report day is the 26th for two weeks at new duty station you would report to the training site on October 10 (Columbus Day).
If report date is pushed back two weeks, report to new site on October 11 (day after Columbus Day) and report to training on October 24 which puts Veteran's Day in the third week of training.
This is logistically very interesting.
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Post by doodlemom on Aug 15, 2011 8:37:52 GMT -5
Any word if we can expect the new certificate this week?
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