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Post by redwhiteblue on Aug 19, 2011 14:22:09 GMT -5
I set up a new poll for the August 2011 Cert scores
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Post by bartleby on Aug 19, 2011 16:29:36 GMT -5
Tony Packo's is still functioning fine and the food is delicious. Klinger would be proud.. Toledo is not as bad as one would believe. The office is beautiful and the staff is great.
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Post by allrise on Aug 19, 2011 16:37:40 GMT -5
Regarding my question how I could make the July 2011 cert for 2 locations but not make the August cert for the same locations, I'm sure Chinook it correct. If they simply take the highest scorers with any city on the cert, the addition of a popular city could really change things. I am an outsider and I know several people in NYC who limited their GALs to the NYC vicinity. This cert has Brooklyn and for all we know there could be 40 people on the list with only Brooklyn on their list (or Oakland, Ca for instance.) Certainly anyone with a wide open GAL in these circumstances would have amazing odds. It's hard for me to believe that there are many of these people left at this point with scores over 67.
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Post by jibtrimmer on Aug 20, 2011 7:27:58 GMT -5
Anyone have an indication of the interview, starting and class dates for this latest Cert?
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Post by grassgreener on Aug 22, 2011 8:51:28 GMT -5
Anyone have an indication of the interview, starting and class dates for this latest Cert? Late Fall - Oct. to Nov. timeframe was the starting time frame provided in Bob's email. Anticipating a late Sept. interview.
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Post by vacuum on Aug 22, 2011 9:21:15 GMT -5
It is interesting that candidates with such high scores have not been interviewed yet. Could it possibly be that some of these new candidates have limited GAL's and some of the locations on this cert have not been included in previous certs? There might also be a few candidates that were able to test for the register under the Veteran's provisions. With this in mind, is it possible that the current cert includes fewer candidates than necessary to fill all the possitions, and the previous cert is remaining open to fill in the rest of the slots?
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Post by maxlaw on Aug 22, 2011 11:16:44 GMT -5
No, that's not how it works. OPM controls the certs, and they only send over one list of eligibles at a time. The July cert is over, they sent out rejection notices to those not selected. This is a new list of eligibles, for a different list of cities. There are doubtless some 10 point veterans who are new to the register, but there also may be, as others have said, a group of people with limited cities on their GALs, who have not been considered previously. But, by statute and regulation, there must be at least three people considered for each position, so there must be a surplus of candidates.
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Post by hilltopper on Aug 22, 2011 12:03:24 GMT -5
As long as I have been on this board, I ought to know this. When OPM sends a cert. list, are you only considered for one location designated by OPM? Or does SSA take the names and put them on the list based on the GALs submitted? Can one be considered for more than one city on a cert. at a time? Who decides which city (or cities) you are considered to fill? ht
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Post by aljsouth on Aug 22, 2011 12:20:45 GMT -5
As long as I have been on this board, I ought to know this. When OPM sends a cert. list, are you only considered for one location designated by OPM? Or does SSA take the names and put them on the list based on the GALs submitted? Can one be considered for more than one city on a cert. at a time? Who decides which city (or cities) you are considered to fill? ht OPM sends the list. If your name is on two locations you can be considered for those two. If you name is only on the list for one location then you can be considered only for that location. Assume there are 10 locations and one opening in each. OPM will send a list of 30 names to SSA. Three for each location. Your name can appear on all of them if you qualify. OPM makes that call. If you name is on 1 location only then SSA cannot hire you for another location. If your name is on 3 locations, you can be considered for all three and hired for any one of the 3 locations. SSA would make the decision as to hiring you at any location on which your name appears associated with that location. Once again SSA cannot hire you for a site if your name is not certified to them asociated with that site.
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Post by tigerfan on Aug 22, 2011 13:13:24 GMT -5
When you receive the notice that you are on a cert and the list of cities on the cert it means you have been certified to SSA for all of those cities otherwise that city or cities would not be on your list. You can then choose to eliminate some or all of those cities but you cannot add any cities. SSA can then hire you for any city on the list that you do not eliminate.
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Post by 71stretch on Aug 22, 2011 13:18:15 GMT -5
When you receive the notice that you are on a cert and the list of cities on the cert it means you have been certified to SSA for all of those cities otherwise that city or cities would not be on your list. You can then choose to eliminate some or all of those cities but you cannot add any cities. SSA can then hire you for any city on the list that you do not eliminate. With the clarification that they send you the list of cities from your GAL that are on the cert. that's the way it works. Good luck to those who are on this list. I started a new poll over in the Polling Palace about GAL size... if you're on this cert, wander on over and participate!!
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Post by hilltopper on Aug 22, 2011 14:46:33 GMT -5
When you receive the notice that you are on a cert and the list of cities on the cert it means you have been certified to SSA for all of those cities otherwise that city or cities would not be on your list. You can then choose to eliminate some or all of those cities but you cannot add any cities. SSA can then hire you for any city on the list that you do not eliminate. Thanks aljsouth and tigerfan for the responses. I understand the process for my accepting or declining cites on my GAL. Let me clarify what my question was intended to be. As a practical matter: If I have a wide open GAL, and OPM certifies me for all cities, SSA sends me their GAL form to pare down the selections, I accept all of them, yet there are 37 cities and thus 111 folks on the cert. - (1) Are each and every one of us considered for every city we accept - meaning there could be as many as 111 people considered (all who were certified and accepted the city on their GAL) for a particular city? (2) Or does SSA put the 111 into slots for each city and only consider 3 candidates per city? A follow-on to that question would be ... (3) If all 111 are potentially eligible for each city (assuming they all had wide open GALs), are they all rank ordered by OPM score and SSA is supposed to pick the top score? - Or once they have at least 3, can SSA pick and choose regardless of OPM scores? (4) Does being a 10-point or 5-point Vet change the answer to #3? I'm more interested in the selection process used by SSA than what choices I make. ht
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Post by alj on Aug 22, 2011 15:34:37 GMT -5
SSA cares nothing about the OPM score. The agency is supposed to pick within the top three scores. If a VP is at the top of the list, the agency must have a reason to bypass the veteran for a non veteran and obtain OPM permission to do so. Under certain circumstances the agency may bypass, select a non veteran, then seek OPM approval. If approval is not given, the agency will have to also offer a position to the veteran.
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Post by wdcsmp on Aug 23, 2011 10:19:15 GMT -5
Any buzz on how many ALJs the agency's looking to hire this time around?
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Post by redwhiteblue on Aug 23, 2011 10:52:08 GMT -5
Given the number who responded on the polls, I would guess (purely speculation) 25ish
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Post by allrise on Aug 23, 2011 14:00:31 GMT -5
I just got an email advising me I made the cert.
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Post by hherman on Aug 23, 2011 14:47:02 GMT -5
I'm on the August cert and just found out that one of my references has already been called.
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Post by 71stretch on Aug 23, 2011 14:58:50 GMT -5
I'm on the August cert and just found out that one of my references has already been called. Have you been on any of the other recent certs? There hasn't been much calling (or re-calling) of references on the recent certs for those whose references were previously called (even back in June 2010).
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Post by hherman on Aug 23, 2011 15:10:22 GMT -5
No. I have a limited GAL. But my references were called for the first cert in 2010.
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Post by Propmaster on Aug 24, 2011 10:28:52 GMT -5
I just received an e-mail THIS MORNING about the cert. My score is below 67. The poll confirmed the earlier number when initially posted, so I can only assume that there was a lack of communication between ODAR and OPM about the total number of slots to fill (perhaps ODAR increased the number and OPM did not get the increase timely?). In any event, it gives 2 days to respond (3 if you count today). So, FYI to those who have made previous certs...
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