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Post by 71stretch on May 10, 2013 20:52:33 GMT -5
I think it will take a while. The SJT can be scored quickly, the other pieces will take a bit more time. It isn't comparable exactly, but it took about two months from the end of the WD and SI sessions last time to getting NOR's with scores. This phase could easily take that long.
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Post by cafeta on May 11, 2013 23:26:10 GMT -5
I think it will take a while. The SJT can be scored quickly, the other pieces will take a bit more time. It isn't comparable exactly, but it took about two months from the end of the WD and SI sessions last time to getting NOR's with scores. This phase could easily take that long. Yeah, my bet is 30 to 60 days! I'll wait with bated breath! |
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Post by westernalj on May 12, 2013 9:06:16 GMT -5
With 5K applications and fewer hires anticipated, the odds are much lower than for the past few years. There may not be enough jobs to offer to the top 10%. I will do what I can, but I am trying to stay off the emotional roller coaster.
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Post by 71stretch on May 12, 2013 18:11:34 GMT -5
With 5K applications and fewer hires anticipated, the odds are much lower than for the past few years. There may not be enough jobs to offer to the top 10%. I will do what I can, but I am trying to stay off the emotional roller coaster. Excellent plan.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 20:58:50 GMT -5
I believe that the experience assessment may not be weighed that heavily because there are many many prospective candidates whose only experience has been with SSA.
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Post by cafeta on May 13, 2013 1:10:21 GMT -5
I believe that the experience assessment may not be weighed that heavily because there are many many prospective candidates whose only experience has been with SSA. I am not sure what that means. My experience has been primarily with SSA, and I ranked a 5 with complex litigation experience. Regardless, I am not sure how the source of your experience would impact weighing the EA; the weight of your experience is what it is, under the definitions given, regardless of the source of that experience. |
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Post by hopefalj on May 13, 2013 7:53:01 GMT -5
I believe that the experience assessment may not be weighed that heavily because there are many many prospective candidates whose only experience has been with SSA. I am not sure what that means. My experience has been primarily with SSA, and I ranked a 5 with complex litigation experience. Regardless, I am not sure how the source of your experience would impact weighing the EA; the weight of your experience is what it is, under the definitions given, regardless of the source of that experience. I think he meant ODAR specifically. OGC or some other lit component of the agency would give you more opportunities to rate yourself higher. If you gave yourself a 5 based on DW experience, then you may be one of the greatest fiction writers of our time. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 8:24:41 GMT -5
I am not sure what that means. My experience has been primarily with SSA, and I ranked a 5 with complex litigation experience. Regardless, I am not sure how the source of your experience would impact weighing the EA; the weight of your experience is what it is, under the definitions given, regardless of the source of that experience. I think he meant ODAR specifically. OGC or some other lit component of the agency would give you more opportunities to rate yourself higher. If you gave yourself a 5 based on DW experience, then you may be one of the greatest fiction writers of our time. Exactly, this is what I meant, I worked for two years as a DW and used it as part of my seven years but I made no mention of this experience in my EA. Indeed if you can can say that experience as DW is a five (highly complex litigation) that would be some creative writing. |
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Post by cafeta on May 13, 2013 10:18:45 GMT -5
I am not sure what that means. My experience has been primarily with SSA, and I ranked a 5 with complex litigation experience. Regardless, I am not sure how the source of your experience would impact weighing the EA; the weight of your experience is what it is, under the definitions given, regardless of the source of that experience. I think he meant ODAR specifically. OGC or some other lit component of the agency would give you more opportunities to rate yourself higher. If you gave yourself a 5 based on DW experience, then you may be one of the greatest fiction writers of our time.  |
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Post by cafeta on May 13, 2013 10:40:55 GMT -5
I think he meant ODAR specifically. OGC or some other lit component of the agency would give you more opportunities to rate yourself higher. If you gave yourself a 5 based on DW experience, then you may be one of the greatest fiction writers of our time. Exactly, this is what I meant, I worked for two years as a DW and used it as part of my seven years but I made no mention of this experience in my EA. Indeed if you can can say that experience as DW is a five (highly complex litigation) that would be some creative writing. I would definitely agree with that. Creative writing has it place, even with this testing, but it certainly has it's limits.  |
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Post by hapi2balj on May 14, 2013 10:26:03 GMT -5
Ok, this is all very interesting (perhaps I should say discouraging?) to me. My USA Jobs page still says "awaiting results, you will be notified." I am 34 years out of law school, am currently a GS-15 DOJ attorney, for 15 years was a State Judge and for 5 years a State ALJ. I think I represented my experience quite well and clearly in the application process and it's hard to imagine why I wouldn't make the first cut, but of course I can't take anything for granted. What does everyone think? Should I pack up my tent on this one, or is there still hope for making the first cut?
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Post by moopigsdad on May 14, 2013 11:10:46 GMT -5
Ok, this is all very interesting (perhaps I should say discouraging?) to me. My USA Jobs page still says "awaiting results, you will be notified." I am 34 years out of law school, am currently a GS-15 DOJ attorney, for 15 years was a State Judge and for 5 years a State ALJ. I think I represented my experience quite well and clearly in the application process and it's hard to imagine why I wouldn't make the first cut, but of course I can't take anything for granted. What does everyone think? Should I pack up my tent on this one, or is there still hope for making the first cut? With the USA Jobs message you stated which exists on your page, you should have received an email with a link to the second part of the ALJ Exam process. Perhaps, it was lost in spam mail or somehow got deleted by mistake. I suggest you contact OPM by email and ask them if you were to take part in the second part of the process and somehow didn't receive your email. Good luck! |
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Post by hapi2balj on May 14, 2013 12:18:26 GMT -5
Ok, this is all very interesting (perhaps I should say discouraging?) to me. My USA Jobs page still says "awaiting results, you will be notified." I am 34 years out of law school, am currently a GS-15 DOJ attorney, for 15 years was a State Judge and for 5 years a State ALJ. I think I represented my experience quite well and clearly in the application process and it's hard to imagine why I wouldn't make the first cut, but of course I can't take anything for granted. What does everyone think? Should I pack up my tent on this one, or is there still hope for making the first cut? With the USA Jobs message you stated which exists on your page, you should have received an email with a link to the second part of the ALJ Exam process. Perhaps, it was lost in spam mail or somehow got deleted by mistake. I suggest you contact OPM by email and ask them if you were to take part in the second part of the process and somehow didn't receive your email. Good luck! Thanks very much my friend! I will do that! |
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Post by hapi2balj on May 16, 2013 10:01:41 GMT -5
Has anyone out there heard that you did NOT make the first cut? I have not heard anything and it's getting more discouraging by the day. I honestly do not understand how OPM possibly could find me NOT basically qualified based on my experience which I detailed well in my application. As I shared in this forum day before yesterday, when I first learned that some have not only made the cut but also have gone through (or are going through) phase two, I posted that my USA Jobs still says "awaiting results - you will be notified." I received a response advising me to contact OPM to check the status of my application, and I sent an e-mail receipt of which promptly was acknowledged. I have no answer yet and don't mean to be silly about this (it's only been 48 hours) but I'm definitely anxious to hear something back. I've been interested in the ALJ Corps for several years and with 34 years' legal experience, including 15 as a state-court trial judge and 5 as a state ALJ hearing/deciding complex public employment law cases, plus time as a litigator in both federal and state court, I am confident that I AM well-qualified whether OPM finds me to be such or not. If anyone else has any insight, please post.
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Post by hod on May 16, 2013 10:11:33 GMT -5
Has anyone out there heard that you did NOT make the first cut? I have not heard anything and it's getting more discouraging by the day. I honestly do not understand how OPM possibly could find me NOT basically qualified based on my experience which I detailed well in my application. As I shared in this forum day before yesterday, when I first learned that some have not only made the cut but also have gone through (or are going through) phase two, I posted that my USA Jobs still says "awaiting results - you will be notified." I received a response advising me to contact OPM to check the status of my application, and I sent an e-mail receipt of which promptly was acknowledged. I have no answer yet and don't mean to be silly about this (it's only been 48 hours) but I'm definitely anxious to hear something back. I've been interested in the ALJ Corps for several years and with 34 years' legal experience, including 15 as a state-court trial judge and 5 as a state ALJ hearing/deciding complex public employment law cases, plus time as a litigator in both federal and state court, I am confident that I AM well-qualified whether OPM finds me to be such or not. If anyone else has any insight, please post. You are not being silly. It is a very stressful process. I would say that something has gone wrong with your application and notice process. You need to keep asking OPM until you get an answer and if you do not get an answer, file an appeal stating that you received no notification either way despite your attempts to contact them. As far as I know the second stage part is closed now-which is ok, they still have to allow vets to apply at anytime, so if necessary they can let you in on the process. But make sure you have proof of your atempts to contact. It is possible that your e-mail cyberspaced or even that they lost your app. With regard to your qualifications, as you might have seen on this board-OPM denied a number of people who surely appear to have more than enough experience to have been invited to the second stage. The rhyme and reason is not always apparent. Some of the people denied this round are actully on the cert that is supposed to be used in the next month or so. Many of those people have appealed and the appeals do not get resolved until after all the "accepted" people have been processed and are on the register. So this is not the time to start holding your breath. But things usually work out in the end-this is a marathon-not a sprint and you just have to keep plugging away until you get an answer. |
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Post by robespierre on May 16, 2013 11:23:59 GMT -5
Has anyone out there heard that you did NOT make the first cut? I have not heard anything and it's getting more discouraging by the day. I honestly do not understand how OPM possibly could find me NOT basically qualified based on my experience which I detailed well in my application. As I shared in this forum day before yesterday, when I first learned that some have not only made the cut but also have gone through (or are going through) phase two, I posted that my USA Jobs still says "awaiting results - you will be notified." I received a response advising me to contact OPM to check the status of my application, and I sent an e-mail receipt of which promptly was acknowledged. I have no answer yet and don't mean to be silly about this (it's only been 48 hours) but I'm definitely anxious to hear something back. I've been interested in the ALJ Corps for several years and with 34 years' legal experience, including 15 as a state-court trial judge and 5 as a state ALJ hearing/deciding complex public employment law cases, plus time as a litigator in both federal and state court, I am confident that I AM well-qualified whether OPM finds me to be such or not. If anyone else has any insight, please post. I don't have any helpful advice, but I just wanted to say wow, your credentials are superb! State court judge, state ALJ and 34 years experience ... what could be more perfect preparation than that? On the down side, if there are many applicants like you, then I don't have a chance. Good luck. |
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Post by 1234 on May 16, 2013 20:45:11 GMT -5
Hope2balj, I'm sorry to hear of your situation. I have no inside information, but some here have posted that they received e-mails stating they did not make the first cut. Just prior to receiving those e-mails, they seem to have indicated that their status in usajobs changed to "see details tab above" or something to that effect. Others received e-mails inviting them to proceed to the second part of the process which included the writing sample, SJT, and experience assessment. Those e-mails included a link to the tests that was active from April 29 to May 10. I believe those invited to this second stage had a status in usajobs of "awaiting results - you will be notified."
Also, some posters seem to have reported that while they had the status of "awaiting results - you will be notified", they never received their invite. Several posted they found the invite in their spam folder. Some who had this awaiting results status but never received an invite, apparently found out that the e-mail was filtered out at the server level and was never allowed through, even as spam. Based on postings, some of those people were able to get the invite resent to them in pdf form after sending an e-mail (or several e-mails) to OPM.
Since the only contact information made available to us at this point is the e-mail address contained in the job posting, it sounds like you have done what you can, aside from maybe sending another e-mail. Beyond that, it sounds like hod has offered sage advice. If you want the comfort of knowing you are not alone, just take a look at some of the recent threads here. People have been very generous in sharing their experiences.
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Post by hopefalj on May 17, 2013 8:09:43 GMT -5
Has anyone out there heard that you did NOT make the first cut? I have not heard anything and it's getting more discouraging by the day. I honestly do not understand how OPM possibly could find me NOT basically qualified based on my experience which I detailed well in my application. As I shared in this forum day before yesterday, when I first learned that some have not only made the cut but also have gone through (or are going through) phase two, I posted that my USA Jobs still says "awaiting results - you will be notified." I received a response advising me to contact OPM to check the status of my application, and I sent an e-mail receipt of which promptly was acknowledged. I have no answer yet and don't mean to be silly about this (it's only been 48 hours) but I'm definitely anxious to hear something back. I've been interested in the ALJ Corps for several years and with 34 years' legal experience, including 15 as a state-court trial judge and 5 as a state ALJ hearing/deciding complex public employment law cases, plus time as a litigator in both federal and state court, I am confident that I AM well-qualified whether OPM finds me to be such or not. If anyone else has any insight, please post. I am very curious as to why you would rather be an ALJ than a state court judge. Maybe in other states being a state court judge is not that great, but where I am, they make as much as a federal judge and the job seems to be a whole lot more exciting than working as an SSA ALJ. You actually have power to hold people to throw people in jail, put together and separate families, make the news with high profile cases, etc. If I'm not mistaken, I believe he's in a state that elects its judges. That's a big disadvantage when comparing the two gigs. |
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Post by JSteele on May 17, 2013 9:19:02 GMT -5
Has anyone out there heard that you did NOT make the first cut? I have not heard anything and it's getting more discouraging by the day. I honestly do not understand how OPM possibly could find me NOT basically qualified based on my experience which I detailed well in my application. As I shared in this forum day before yesterday, when I first learned that some have not only made the cut but also have gone through (or are going through) phase two, I posted that my USA Jobs still says "awaiting results - you will be notified." I received a response advising me to contact OPM to check the status of my application, and I sent an e-mail receipt of which promptly was acknowledged. I have no answer yet and don't mean to be silly about this (it's only been 48 hours) but I'm definitely anxious to hear something back. I've been interested in the ALJ Corps for several years and with 34 years' legal experience, including 15 as a state-court trial judge and 5 as a state ALJ hearing/deciding complex public employment law cases, plus time as a litigator in both federal and state court, I am confident that I AM well-qualified whether OPM finds me to be such or not. If anyone else has any insight, please post. I did not make the cut and received notification on May 1st, as did everyone else that didn't make the cut I believe. If you haven't heard something one way or the other, I believe that your email may have been lost in space so to speak. Definitely email the ALJ help desk that is posted on these blogs. As someone else noted, if your status is awaiting results, that would indicate you were invited to the next round. As far as the rejections, my status says "see details tab." Good luck! I am appealing my rejection. |
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Post by JSteele on May 17, 2013 9:21:13 GMT -5
Has anyone out there heard that you did NOT make the first cut? I have not heard anything and it's getting more discouraging by the day. I honestly do not understand how OPM possibly could find me NOT basically qualified based on my experience which I detailed well in my application. As I shared in this forum day before yesterday, when I first learned that some have not only made the cut but also have gone through (or are going through) phase two, I posted that my USA Jobs still says "awaiting results - you will be notified." I received a response advising me to contact OPM to check the status of my application, and I sent an e-mail receipt of which promptly was acknowledged. I have no answer yet and don't mean to be silly about this (it's only been 48 hours) but I'm definitely anxious to hear something back. I've been interested in the ALJ Corps for several years and with 34 years' legal experience, including 15 as a state-court trial judge and 5 as a state ALJ hearing/deciding complex public employment law cases, plus time as a litigator in both federal and state court, I am confident that I AM well-qualified whether OPM finds me to be such or not. If anyone else has any insight, please post. Check out the "application status question" thread - I believe it addressed your issue more than this thread. |
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