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Post by moopigsdad on Jul 23, 2013 13:53:10 GMT -5
It is likely, since the last person taking the Phase 3 testing of the WD/LBMT and SIs is not occurring until early October 2013, the NORs for the final Phase will occur either very late 2013 calendar year or early 2014 calendar year. Hence, the next ALJ Register will more than likely not occur until the first quarter of the 2014 calendar year (second quarter of the 2014 FY). It seems likely the new created ALJ Register, absent some unforeseen reason, will likely stay in place through the first quarter of 2016 calendar year (second quarter of 2016 FY), if not longer. Perhaps, just a refresh of the Register may occur at that time depending upon the amount of hires and numbers interviewed for positions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2013 14:07:04 GMT -5
I agree MPD. There was testimony from the acting commissioner that any hiring from new register would take place on or about the 3rd Quarter of FY 14. Still a big if depending on the fiscal enviroment. Surely OPM wise/coordinate with SSA that they need to be ready to hire when register is published or shortly thereafter because there is a strong possibility that litigation would hold up the register as happened before.
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Post by moopigsdad on Jul 23, 2013 14:13:30 GMT -5
I agree MPD. There was testimony from the acting commissioner that any hiring from new register would take place on or about the 3rd Quarter of FY 14. Still a big if depending on the fiscal enviroment. Surely OPM will advise/coordinate with SSA that they need to be ready to hire when register is published or shortly thereafter because there is a strong possibility that litigation would hold up the register as ot jas ja[emed before. I agree exjag that litigation can possibly hold up the use of the newly created Register, but there would be no creation of a new Register until a majority of the names on the new Register would have had an opportunity to interview for an ALJ position. It would just mean that when litigation is done there could be an extra large hiring from the existing Register to make up for the backlog of unfilled positions, which will be inevitable due to the possible litigation and the present tight budgetary issues. |
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Post by 71stretch on Jul 23, 2013 14:18:40 GMT -5
I agree MPD. There was testimony from the acting commissioner that any hiring from new register would take place on or about the 3rd Quarter of FY 14. Still a big if depending on the fiscal enviroment. Surely OPM will advise/coordinate with SSA that they need to be ready to hire when register is published or shortly thereafter because there is a strong possibility that litigation would hold up the register as happened before. I agree exjag that litigation can possibly hold up the use of the newly created Register, but there would be no creation of a new Register until a majority of the names on the new Register would have had an opportunity to interview for an ALJ position. It would just mean that when litigation is done there could be an extra large hiring from the existing Register to make up for the backlog of unfilled positions, which will be inevitable due to the possible litigation and the present tight budgetary issues. Not sure what you mean here (the bolded language). The new register has to be created before anyone on the new register can interview for any ALJ position. |
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Post by Gaidin on Jul 23, 2013 14:33:22 GMT -5
I am not real familiar with the Azdell case but as I understand it was about the scoring metric. I don't know but would suspect that OPM took care to utilize psychometricly valid tests then and now. So what was the problem then and will we all be stuck waiting on litigation? I found this on the Board which gives some history. aljdiscussion.proboards.com/thread/2153 |
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Post by moopigsdad on Jul 23, 2013 14:44:20 GMT -5
I agree exjag that litigation can possibly hold up the use of the newly created Register, but there would be no creation of a new Register until a majority of the names on the new Register would have had an opportunity to interview for an ALJ position. It would just mean that when litigation is done there could be an extra large hiring from the existing Register to make up for the backlog of unfilled positions, which will be inevitable due to the possible litigation and the present tight budgetary issues. Not sure what you mean here (the bolded language). The new register has to be created before anyone on the new register can interview for any ALJ position. Sorry for not using concise language there observer. I meant that OPM would not attempt to create a newer Register after the one being created now, until there has been usage of it and the agencies were calling for new names to be added or a newer Register to be created because of unhappiness with the quality of the remaining non-interviewed names. |
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Post by 71stretch on Jul 23, 2013 15:04:32 GMT -5
I don't think OPM will create a NEW register for several years. They will refresh this new one at some point, like they did the 2007 one in 2009, but there's not going to be a whole new register for at least five or six years, just as before.
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Post by moopigsdad on Jul 23, 2013 15:23:54 GMT -5
I don't think OPM will create a NEW register for several years. They will refresh this new one at some point, like they did the 2007 one in 2009, but there's not going to be a whole new register for at least five or six years, just as before. I would completely agree observer53. I think some people on this Board were thinking OPM would create a whole new Register in 2016, but I agree that at best it would only be a refresh at that time. |
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Post by 71stretch on Jul 23, 2013 16:12:24 GMT -5
What does refresh mean in this context? Refresh means that they open the register for applications for some set time period, and put those who apply through the same screening process as those already on the register. The register remains active in the meantime, so those who are already on it can be placed on any certifications that are requested in the interim. When all the screening of the new applicants is completed, those who meet all the requirements are given an NOR score and added to the register. That is what happened in 2009-10. (it took six months from the applications to the NORs) |
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Post by Gaidin on Jul 23, 2013 16:13:54 GMT -5
I don't think OPM will create a NEW register for several years. They will refresh this new one at some point, like they did the 2007 one in 2009, but there's not going to be a whole new register for at least five or six years, just as before. How many people were added to the register in the 2009 refresh? |
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Post by 71stretch on Jul 23, 2013 16:16:09 GMT -5
I don't think OPM will create a NEW register for several years. They will refresh this new one at some point, like they did the 2007 one in 2009, but there's not going to be a whole new register for at least five or six years, just as before. How many people were added to the register in the 2009 refresh? It's impossible to know for sure. Several hundred would be a good guess. The application period was short, it ended at midnight on the day the 1100th application was received, which ended up meaning that the application period was only about 48 hours. I don't think we ever found out exactly how many applications were received. In any event, that's all pretty irrelevant, since that register will be history by no later than early 2014. |
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Post by hopefalj on Jul 23, 2013 20:00:49 GMT -5
I initially agreed with the thought that we wouldn't get our NORs until next year, but after looking at how quickly things were turned around in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if we got the NORs in November. From what I can gather, the SIs are scored on site and at the time of the interviews. I'm going to assume the LBMT is a multiple choice test as well, which will be easily scored. That leaves the WD as the biggest obstacle to scoring. If they're going to wait until all tests have been completed before scoring the WD, then it could take a while. However, I'm not sure they're going to do that. I can see them grading those on a rolling basis, which would allow them to get the overall scores out quicker. Granted, they'll release all NORs at the same time, but scoring everything in this way would allow them to get the NORs out quicker. I guess we'll find out.
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