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Post by funkyodar on Apr 1, 2014 15:50:27 GMT -5
Thanks mcb. Sounds like region 10 may join region 9 in the "most likely no cert cities" group?
I haven't seen many say their gal is just within region 10, unlike some region niners, but I imagine there are some. That sucks.
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Post by funkyodar on Apr 1, 2014 15:56:02 GMT -5
Oh and aplogies to the tacomans (?), tacomites(?) tacomese (?).
Didn't mean to imply your city is "crapland northwest." I'm sure its great. But from my perspective all the region 10 offices would be great. Forced myself to pick one.
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Post by mcb on Apr 1, 2014 16:03:14 GMT -5
Thanks mcb. Sounds like region 10 may join region 9 in the "most likely no cert cities" group? I haven't seen many say their gal is just within region 10, unlike some region niners, but I imagine there are some. That sucks. R10 is the largest geograhically and the smallest ODAR- (6) and ALJ-wise (approximately 52). RE new hires in Seattle and Tacoma (As I noted in an earler post): 4 locals, that I know, have been hired directly into the Seattle or Tacoma ODARs. 3 of the 4 had OGC experience and at least 2 of the 4 were vets. My understanding is that the two Seattle hires were hired with - at the time - some of the current ALJs on the Seattle transfer list not being asked. For awhile there was a difference of opinion between the Agency and the union about transfer lists (the Union's position was that every ALJ had to be offered a transfer before a new hire was offered the position and the Agency argued that it had fulfilled its obligation after the first ALJ had been offered the position, but it now appears that the union position - the list must be worked before a new ALJ is offered an opening, prevails. The reason two new hires were offered positions in Tacoma was that it was a new ODAR that opened in August 2011, and after all the ALJs on the Tacoma transfer list had been offered a position (there were 10 openings, 9 if you include the HOCALJ) there were still two openings and a local vet from a different federal agency accepted one of the positions, and a local OGC attorney accepted the other opening (after it was turned down twice, I've heard, by two other new hires, not sure they were local or not).
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Post by funkyodar on Apr 1, 2014 16:07:41 GMT -5
Wow. Great intel. Thanks.
Anyone else with some inside baseball info on other regions?
For instance, its been said region 9 is judge heavy and highly unlikely to get any newbies. That true region wide? Even in the crappier corners?
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Post by funkyodar on Apr 1, 2014 16:11:49 GMT -5
I gotta idea. Lets crowdsource this babe.
We can startwith my wag list. If you KNOW a city on it definitely won't be hiring post it and we can scratch it.
If you KNOW a city not on the list has vacancies, post that.
I will keep a running list and post the crowdsourced outcome after it looks like all intel is in.
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Post by moopigsdad on Apr 1, 2014 16:17:40 GMT -5
Well we had Crapland and East Crapland, now funky has created West Crapland with his Tacoma reference, although I would contend he is wrong. Although, I do believe a West Crapland exists.
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Post by funkyodar on Apr 1, 2014 16:31:52 GMT -5
So far, from posts in this thread and some pm, I,m scratching Lawrence, Montgomery, Cleveland, San Antonio, Anchorage and Tacoma.
No additions suggested yet.
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Post by sandiferhands (old) on Apr 1, 2014 16:35:53 GMT -5
So far, from posts in this thread and some pm, I,m scratching Lawrence, Montgomery, Cleveland, San Antonio, Anchorage and Tacoma. No additions suggested yet. Will be interesting to see if Alexandria, LA can handle 90 new ALJs. There aren't that many hotel rooms.
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Post by steelrain on Apr 1, 2014 16:49:16 GMT -5
Not sure about Lawrence...when it was opened in 2011 it was staffed with 7 ALJ's and it is currently at 6 with three looking for transfers out. A small window of hope for us Region 1 folks....
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Post by funkyodar on Apr 1, 2014 16:52:07 GMT -5
If there's some hope for lawrence I will add it back
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Post by mcb on Apr 1, 2014 17:11:58 GMT -5
So far, from posts in this thread and some pm, I,m scratching Lawrence, Montgomery, Cleveland, San Antonio, Anchorage and Tacoma. No additions suggested yet. Anchorage only has two ALJs, but there is no one on the transfer list to Anchorage. If either of the Anchorage ALJs is gettin' cabin fever (which I have no knowledge of; one way or the other) there's no one waiting to transfer in.
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Post by agent99 on Apr 1, 2014 17:34:50 GMT -5
San Antonio is a lovely town with a lot for families to do and real estate is extremely reasonable. It's got a lot of old world charm. the food is amazing and winters are warm. I wouldn't be quick to scratch it off your list.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Apr 1, 2014 17:50:03 GMT -5
San Antonio is a lovely town with a lot for families to do and real estate is extremely reasonable . It's got a lot of old world charm. the food is amazing and winters are warm. I wouldn't be quick to scratch it off your list.You misunderstand. Funky is not scratching it off his list. He is compiling a list of potential cities that newbies will be hired and San Antonio is one that is highly desired according to the transfer list of those wanting in. thus it is highly likely not a newbie city.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Apr 1, 2014 17:54:54 GMT -5
I'm surprised people want to transfer in to Montgomery. Why is that? Just asking. I am wide-open, and intend to stay that way, but if you tell me that transfers in to Montgomery tend to die in less than 6 months, or their armpits fall off or something, I might reconsider. I would live there in a heartbeat! I don't need no stinkin armpits. LOL! This is a clear case of what is a good place for some is not for others. May you all strike all of AL MS and GA from your lists. I will gladly take your throwaways.
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Post by luckylady2 on Apr 1, 2014 19:01:50 GMT -5
Wow - this is such a valuable part of the board - getting intel from folks across the country. At least it keeps me entertained as I listen to * * crickets * *
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Post by sealaw90 on Apr 2, 2014 8:11:50 GMT -5
Why is that? Just asking. I am wide-open, and intend to stay that way, but if you tell me that transfers in to Montgomery tend to die in less than 6 months, or their armpits fall off or something, I might reconsider. If you are not willing to risk death or the loss of your armpits, I have to question whether you want the ALJ job bad enough! Without revealing too much, let's just say I've spent some time there and it isn't a place most folks want to be long term, even folks raised there. yup, Montgomery is not what I would consider the highlight of AL. Mobile is nicer, plus it has the Gulf. Other than hurricanes, the Redneck Riveria would be an pretty decent place to land, if you like sun, beaches, seafood and casinos, IMHO.
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Post by moopigsdad on Apr 2, 2014 9:27:00 GMT -5
Everyone has a different take on cities they have worked in, lived in or visited. What is someone's hell is another paradise and vice-versa. Everyone has their own viewpoint about what they find acceptable or not acceptable. I think there may be some universal likes and hatreds, but all in all everyone might see the same city a little differently than another person IMHO.
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Post by sealaw90 on Apr 2, 2014 10:11:19 GMT -5
Everyone has a different take on cities they have worked in, lived in or visited. What is someone's hell is another paradise and vice-versa. Everyone has their own viewpoint about what they find acceptable or not acceptable. I think there may be some universal likes and hatreds, but all in all everyone might see the same city a little differently than another person IMHO. mpd, I used work with an attorney who told me that 'there's a lid for every pot' - not original, but fairly appropos, and it always makes me laugh! I totally agree, and that's what makes it so wonderful to try and get a gig with an agency that gives you the opportunity to live and work all over this great country. The only forced move you make is possibly the first move. After that, it's up to you to decide to move where you want to live - way better than my military days!!
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Post by moopigsdad on Apr 2, 2014 13:02:08 GMT -5
I don't disagree beancounter. I took no offense at your post about Montgomery, AL. I just think "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and each person looks at things through their own eyes. I have been to Montgomery in the past and while I do agree there are some shortcomings there, the same could be said about a lot of cities that ODAR is located in across the U.S. It's like the old saying, when given only lemons to work with you make lemonade. Anyone will just have to try to make the best of the situation he or she finds himself or herself in.
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Post by pubdef on Apr 2, 2014 15:27:00 GMT -5
I had difficulty finding a job in a public defender office. To give myself more options, I broadened the places I was willing to move to become a public defender. I knew it was the start of a career and I would probably have opportunities to move to better places after I gained some experience. I found an office that wanted me, but I had to move to a very small town in the middle of nowhere.
Much like Montgomery, Alabama, the city where I accepted my job didn't seem to offer much. Not a great local economy, only a few local restaurants, no shopping mall, and not even an airport for escape. However, I found some things that I loved. It was near a couple really fantastic state parks that had nice lakes, good camping, and miles upon miles of hiking/biking trails. I found some of the local restaurants were better than any chain, the mom and pop stores were much nicer than going to a mall, and Amazon shipped anything else I needed. And being able to sit on my balcony and admire the stars every night without either air pollution or light pollution was relaxing.
I have advanced in my career to a more prestigious office in a big city, but I miss the town I thought had nothing to offer aside from the job. So if you get an offer somewhere in the middle of crapland, I hope that you find that it's not so bad as it seems. Perhaps after a year you'll get a transfer only to realize that you miss living somewhere like Montgomery, Alabama.
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