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Post by cougarfan on Aug 6, 2014 13:20:09 GMT -5
For what it's worth, this is part of an e-mail I received today regarding new alj training classes.
"I received word from the Chief Judge’s Office that the hiring numbers aren’t as significant as they once expected. As a result, the group beginning training October 13th is only going to require one class as opposed to two.
It is anticipated that we will have another class in early 2015 "
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Post by hopefalj on Aug 6, 2014 13:48:40 GMT -5
Thanks for the info, cougarfan. Will be interesting to see how this will affect the process with the second cert, if at all.
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Post by linky on Aug 6, 2014 14:02:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. So don't quit my day job.
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Post by zepplin on Aug 6, 2014 14:17:29 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. So don't quit my day job. I was really close... in my mind....
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Post by Gaidin on Aug 6, 2014 14:18:12 GMT -5
I'm not trying to be Pollyanna about this and I think its very possible we are done or nearly done with this cert.
But is it reasonable to think that they just found a way to do a training of 60 for the first cert so don't need as large a training cadre in September? If they were trying to figure out how to do two classes equaling 110 in 2015 and realized it was possible why not save money this time around.
If we don't see an uptick in job acceptances I won't hold my breath for that.
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Post by Gaidin on Aug 6, 2014 14:23:26 GMT -5
Upon rereading Cougarfans post I am not inclined to believe this is simply a reshuffling of the candidates into a larger August class.
I am curious to see where whether we are completely done or if there will be a few more.
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Post by christina on Aug 6, 2014 14:39:05 GMT -5
actually, this sounds bad to me and is consistent with the downswing in recent phone calls. of course, with this crazy hiring, we never really had an upswings in calls at any point :/
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Post by gary on Aug 6, 2014 14:42:01 GMT -5
The report we have is at least double hearsay and we don't know the reliability of either level. So while I trust cougar fan to accurately report the email, I don't know yet whether I can trust what is being reported to be factual. As with other reports we've received on the Board in the past, in time we'll know whether it is correct.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 14:45:29 GMT -5
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Post by gary on Aug 6, 2014 15:04:55 GMT -5
And as soon as I post my treat-the-report-with-caution message, the report is confirmed by BagLady who got her info from Bob himself. I'm now a believer (but never a Belieber).
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Post by christina on Aug 6, 2014 15:21:42 GMT -5
how'd she get that info? did she offer Bob a great martini recipe ?
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Post by robespierre on Aug 6, 2014 17:12:15 GMT -5
Wait. Confused. There's an October training class? Is that in addition to the September training class, or instead of it?
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Post by philliesfan on Aug 6, 2014 17:26:59 GMT -5
My office is getting three newbies starting on 8/25 and another on 9/21. Therefore, there are two classes. One starting on 9/15 and another on 10/14.
When I started in the summer of 2011, there were three classes. The first in July was 24 and all insiders. My class in August was 48, generally split into two groups of 24, except for certain things like medical lectures and videos. There was a September class of 70. Each half of the training room can accommodate at least 30 people. Therefore, it is possible that there will be 60 in the September class and 30 in the October class.
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Post by hopefalj on Aug 6, 2014 17:29:02 GMT -5
Wait. Confused. There's an October training class? Is that in addition to the September training class, or instead of it? In addition to it. The folks starting on 8/25 will train in September, and the people starting on 9/22 will train in October.
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Post by privateatty on Aug 6, 2014 17:35:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. So don't quit my day job. I was really close... in my mind.... I have yet to see Melissa McCarthy sing an Aria here. Chill, please and let's not revert back to the Negative Waves colloquy--oh, where's bartleby when I need him?
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Post by hopefalj on Aug 6, 2014 17:44:53 GMT -5
I was really close... in my mind.... I have yet to see Melissa McCarthy sing an Aria here. Chill, please and let's not revert back to the Negative Waves colloquy--oh, where's bartleby when I need him? While the fat lady may not have sung, the baglady did. She reported she was the last hire off of cert 1. Of course, if you're talking from a macro perspective on the long-term prospects, you are totally correct. Several folks that weren't picked up this time around will end up making cert #2+ and getting hired at a later date.
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Post by robespierre on Aug 6, 2014 19:31:12 GMT -5
Oh, ok, Aug and Sept are the START dates and Sept and Oct are the TRAINING dates. Duh. Brain misfire; I get it now.
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Post by gary on Aug 6, 2014 21:35:02 GMT -5
Given the recent reports and previous speculation, how close to 90 do we think were hired from first cert? The consensus was that there was no way SSA would not hire very close to 90. Is this SSA's way of pushing back on OPM's small cert #s and will result in a much larger "unique name" 2nd cert? Hmmm.... I doubt that OPM would give SSA a much larger selection of unique names on the 2d set of certs, taking into account of course the size of that set of certs. I would expect the number of names to be sufficient to 1) hire an ALJ for every position if SSA chooses to; 2) allow SSA to make maximum use of 3-striking if SSA chooses to; and 3) to allow for some "shrinkage", i.e., candidates who aren't interested in the job anymore or at least the locations they would be considered for. There is no reason for OPM to provide more.
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Post by cheesy on Aug 6, 2014 21:37:17 GMT -5
So, why are they leaving jobs on the table? Did they find the candidate pool was just too shallow, too outsider, or what?
Also, when the process is beginning immediately for a second cert, when is immediately? Immediately post-training? Immediately as in pre-EOFY14? What impact, if any, does the change in FYs have for cert pulls? As such, could they pull the cert and cross FYs with it?
My major concern for the Board is the potential brain drain as a result of the first round of hirings. I hope someone around here knows how to run a poll now that Funky will be in FC boot camp.
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Post by hopefalj on Aug 6, 2014 21:47:06 GMT -5
Given the recent reports and previous speculation, how close to 90 do we think were hired from first cert? The consensus was that there was no way SSA would not hire very close to 90. Is this SSA's way of pushing back on OPM's small cert #s and will result in a much larger "unique name" 2nd cert? Hmmm.... I doubt that OPM would give SSA a much larger selection of unique names on the 2d set of certs, taking into account of course the size of that set of certs. I would expect the number of names to be sufficient to 1) hire an ALJ for every position if SSA chooses to; 2) allow SSA to make maximum use of 3-striking if SSA chooses to; and 3) to allow for some "shrinkage", i.e., candidates who aren't interested in the job anymore or at least the locations they would be considered for. There is no reason for OPM to provide more. It will be interesting to see how it works out. We don't know how things have shaken out so far in terms if three striking, whether three names remain for each remaining opening, etc. If they demonstrate a real need for additional names, I could see how they might get more names from OPM or at least have a legitimate argument for more names. Perhaps we'll find out soon.
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