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Post by observer100 on Oct 12, 2014 11:32:51 GMT -5
What level of dress code was followed by the ALJs who just completed training in Falls Church? Did the men wear suits? sport coats? or just a shirt and slacks? Did this vary from day one to subsequent days? (Question doesn't relate to graduation on last day, which I know is formal)
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Post by BagLady on Oct 12, 2014 12:03:45 GMT -5
Business casual for the most part. Mostly slacks and button down (no tie), but also some khaki pants and golf shirts. Good luck.
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Post by onepingonly on Oct 12, 2014 13:23:42 GMT -5
Saw some pretty casual stuff (jeans, but no tees), but mostly business casual. Insiders dressed down more than outsiders, for the most part. I guess they were accustomed to seeing the ALJs out of suits. I did see a suit or two once or twice. You never knew when CALJ or COSS might pop in. The grand finale was a suit and tie level event. Khakis, chinos, and polos or equivalent will be fine all other days. In our class, it was very cold, so a jacket or sweater was advisable. CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NEW CLASS!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 13:42:16 GMT -5
I didn't see any blue jeans at all, but I could of missed it in the other section. Business casual works just fine, the only day you will need a suit is the final day (Graduation Day--don't know why it's called that, but it is the only day that you must wear a suit). Polo shirts will work, but it was getting cold the last few days, but button downs and business slacks were the norm. Have fun, it's a good 4 weeks for outsiders, the insiders will be bored quiet often the first week or so.
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Post by southerner on Oct 15, 2014 17:06:30 GMT -5
In 2008, we started dressy first day, in jeans or kahakis by 3rd day. No t-shirts but polo shirts were common. Teachers tended to be dressier. Coat and tie or equivalent for last day w/pics.
Re Tigerlaw, insiders were bored first 2 weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 21:12:21 GMT -5
The training reporting instruction really need to specify that business casual is the required dress code.
Some people show up in jeans and wrinkled shirts that look like they were slept in.
One person even attended training in shorts and sneakers. Unless his luggage was lost, this is really way too far.
If you are an ALJ, one of the highest paid federal servants, present the image of a professional.
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Post by Thomas fka Lance on Jun 19, 2019 7:13:28 GMT -5
You are sitting for eight hours a day, five days a week (good prep for the job itself). The room will alternate between too hot and too cold.
Dress in whatever manner you find comfortable in those conditions. (Other than "graduation" day and the day the Commissioner and other important folks visit, no need for suits).
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Post by tom b on Jun 19, 2019 8:33:41 GMT -5
Call me old fashioned, but I believe the title is U.S. Administrative Law Judge, not [retailer name here] cashier or stock boy. Train the way you fight, which means suits and such. This type of dress was once referred to as “informal,” to distinguish it from “formal” (white tie) and “semi-formal” (black tie). Just a thought from a geezer.
Respectfully, Tom B
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Post by superalj on Jun 19, 2019 9:06:53 GMT -5
Dress for comfort. I can't speak for the my female colleagues, but most of the men dressed business casual-comfortable trousers with a dress or polo shirt. A few outliers wore suits.
Please note that judicial robe sales people will probably be making their pitch for the fancy robes, which can be quite expensive. I waited until after training and purchased a very functional robe online for 1/3 of the price.
Regarding my colleague Tom B's post, I respectfully disagree. The only time I where a suit is when the RCALJ visits the office. Comfortable trousers and tie more than suffice as when you are in court all day wearing a robe, as it can get warm in the courtroom especially when I am "fighting" with some of the reps lol. Suffice to say, disability law is all about functioning so my 2 cents is do the same with your wardrobe.
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Post by jagvet on Jun 19, 2019 10:09:14 GMT -5
One of my classmates very helpfully coordinated with the robe vendor for the whole class, and I used the company. It was a bit expensive, but three years later, it's still intact--no tears, open seams, detached buttons or hooks. I added an inside pocket, but I never use it (small waste of money). If I needed a new or second one, I would get the same thing, but without the pocket. Remember, you are wearing this thing a lot, so if you go too cheap, you might regret it. On the other hand, if you are tempted to add Rhenquist chevrons or hunting vest-type pockets, don't. It's silly and you'll regret it like a KISS tattoo. I did have my initials embroidered to avoid mixups, but you could sew in a camp-type name tag, instead, if you are talented and cheap.
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 19, 2019 14:23:42 GMT -5
Call me old fashioned, but I believe the title is U.S. Administrative Law Judge, not [retailer name here] cashier or stock boy. Train the way you fight, which means suits and such. This type of dress was once referred to as “informal,” to distinguish it from “formal” (white tie) and “semi-formal” (black tie). Just a thought from a geezer. Respectfully, Tom B I wear jeans every day at work. If I have hearings I put on a tie. The robe has two purposes and one is to cover up my jeans. I haven't worn a suit since I graduated from ALJ training. |
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Post by arkstfan on Jun 19, 2019 14:25:59 GMT -5
Most in my class wore slacks and either a button down shirt (sans tie) or polo style knit shirt. Had a couple dress for the golf course, nice shirt and shorts. They asked us to wear suits the day the commissioner was expected to drop in and about 75% complied.
Graduation day ABSOLUTELY a dress for court day. Get the family there and celebrate.
Robes we had a vendor there, they are more expensive than some options but I'm just now considering replacing my after 8 years because I'm killing the elbows.
Had a nice offer for a discount on cleaning robes from my cleaners if the rest of the choir would use them.
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Post by arkstfan on Jun 19, 2019 14:28:39 GMT -5
Call me old fashioned, but I believe the title is U.S. Administrative Law Judge, not [retailer name here] cashier or stock boy. Train the way you fight, which means suits and such. This type of dress was once referred to as “informal,” to distinguish it from “formal” (white tie) and “semi-formal” (black tie). Just a thought from a geezer. Respectfully, Tom B I wear jeans every day at work. If I have hearings I put on a tie. The robe has two purposes and one is to cover up my jeans. I haven't worn a suit since I graduated from ALJ training. Similar. I wear jeans and knit shirts most office days. Khakis and dress shirt with tie on hearing days with a robe. I became a full robe believer one day it appeared we would close early because of weather. I had arrived in jeans and t-shirt to knock out some notes and another judge had called in sick and guess who is the only judge in the building not scheduled for hearings? Threw on my robe and everything went fine. |
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 19, 2019 14:45:31 GMT -5
One of my classmates very helpfully coordinated with the robe vendor for the whole class, and I used the company. It was a bit expensive, but three years later, it's still intact--no tears, open seams, detached buttons or hooks. I added an inside pocket, but I never use it (small waste of money). If I needed a new or second one, I would get the same thing, but without the pocket. Remember, you are wearing this thing a lot, so if you go too cheap, you might regret it. On the other hand, if you are tempted to add Rhenquist chevrons or hunting vest-type pockets, don't. It's silly and you'll regret it like a KISS tattoo. I did have my initials embroidered to avoid mixups, but you could sew in a camp-type name tag, instead, if you are talented and cheap. I would recommend you get the pocket slits that let you reach into your pants pockets on both sides at least once a week my PIV card is my wrong pants pocket. |
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Post by nylawyer on Jun 19, 2019 15:26:57 GMT -5
Call me old fashioned, but I believe the title is U.S. Administrative Law Judge, not [retailer name here] cashier or stock boy. Train the way you fight, which means suits and such. This type of dress was once referred to as “informal,” to distinguish it from “formal” (white tie) and “semi-formal” (black tie). Just a thought from a geezer. Respectfully, Tom B Dress not for the job you have, but rather for the job you want to have. Since for most ALJs this will be the final position they hold in their career, I suppose the proper attire would be whatever you plan to wear when you are retired. I wore a suit my first day of training, and it went down from there. I may have ended up in a Residence Inn robe towards the end of training. |
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Post by bountiful on Jun 19, 2019 15:54:54 GMT -5
Since for most ALJs this will be the final position they hold in their career, I suppose the proper attire would be whatever you plan to wear when you are retired. I dunno, I've seen old men in Florida wearing Speedos who definitely shouldn't be wearing them... |
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Post by dshawn on Jun 19, 2019 16:03:33 GMT -5
“I wore a suit my first day of training, and it went down from there. I may have ended up in a Residence Inn robe towards the end of training.”
That made me spit out a little beer. Shameful, I know. It is good beer too.
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Post by shoocat on Jun 21, 2019 15:32:34 GMT -5
Call me old fashioned, but I believe the title is U.S. Administrative Law Judge, not [retailer name here] cashier or stock boy. Train the way you fight, which means suits and such. This type of dress was once referred to as “informal,” to distinguish it from “formal” (white tie) and “semi-formal” (black tie). Just a thought from a geezer. Respectfully, Tom B I wear jeans every day at work. If I have hearings I put on a tie. The robe has two purposes and one is to cover up my jeans. I haven't worn a suit since I graduated from ALJ training. Same for most of my office. I wear nicer jeans or cords with a nicer top on hearing days. Other days it is jeans and tee shirts. Most of the guys wear shirts with ties but typically with jeans and running shoes. The robe covers a lot. |
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Post by vudublu on Jun 21, 2019 19:38:14 GMT -5
Call me old fashioned, but I believe the title is U.S. Administrative Law Judge, not [retailer name here] cashier or stock boy. Train the way you fight, which means suits and such. This type of dress was once referred to as “informal,” to distinguish it from “formal” (white tie) and “semi-formal” (black tie). Just a thought from a geezer. Respectfully, Tom B I wear jeans every day at work. If I have hearings I put on a tie. The robe has two purposes and one is to cover up my jeans. I haven't worn a suit since I graduated from ALJ training. On rare days I may wear slacks, but 90+% I'm the same as Gaidin - jeans (usually black) and a short-sleeve white dress shirt. Pop on a tie and robe and no claimant knows the difference. As to training, most days I wore a Hawaiian shirt. CALJ showed up off schedule and I was in the front row but no one batted an eye. |
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