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Post by bartleby on Nov 30, 2014 16:40:22 GMT -5
Approval rate average in Harlingen is 31%. How do you explain the continual turn over of Judges in that office?
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Post by mamaru on Nov 30, 2014 17:42:17 GMT -5
So to clarify what has been reported, once the cert for a city is requested from OPM transfer offers for that city are locked until hiring is for that round is completed? I imagine even with the new preference system that will lead to heartburn for those new ALJ's wanting to transfer while the hiring process is still going on as these hiring request seem to be covering large swaths of the respective regions. Anyone want to start a poll to see how many first cert hires have requested transfers and to which region? Do you think enough still follow to make it meaningful? Sometimes insiders will post the complete latest transfer list, names redacted. This helps us see the overall popularity of cities, for an idea of what the transfer outlook may be for our preferred cities. I asked for a redacted transfer list a week or so ago, but Santa has not delivered. Now it has been updated. Sigh.
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Post by mamaru on Nov 30, 2014 17:45:04 GMT -5
I know three in the first class and two have requested transfers. So to clarify what has been reported, once the cert for a city is requested from OPM transfer offers for that city are locked until hiring is for that round is completed? I imagine even with the new preference system that will lead to heartburn for those new ALJ's wanting to transfer while the hiring process is still going on as these hiring request seem to be covering large swaths of the respective regions. Anyone want to start a poll to see how many first cert hires have requested transfers and to which region? Do you think enough still follow to make it meaningful? Why regions? Seems like most people want to transfer to a city, not a different region. Am I missing something?
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Post by hopefalj on Nov 30, 2014 18:29:04 GMT -5
Approval rate average in Harlingen is 31%. How do you explain the continual turn over of Judges in that office? Same way I do for Mount Pleasant, Toledo, Middlesboro, WVa offices, etc... it's a pretty remote outpost, and the Texas-Mexico border (heat, lifestyle, heat, food, and heat) ain't for everyone. It's not cartel related. What's interesting to me is that the current ALJ transferred from Denver to Harlingen. And has there ever been a new hire sent to Harlingen? I thought satellite offices were typically not used for new hires due to the very limited mentoring resources.
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Post by bartleby on Nov 30, 2014 20:34:48 GMT -5
Judge Lappin was the HOCALJ in Denver. She is an ex-police officer, and can handle herself and almost any situation with ease. She has patrolled some tough beats. My friends that are in the Valley say it is like a third world country and not too safe. As far as I know, no new hires have ever been placed in Harlingen.
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Post by saaao on Nov 30, 2014 20:45:49 GMT -5
So to clarify what has been reported, once the cert for a city is requested from OPM transfer offers for that city are locked until hiring is for that round is completed? I imagine even with the new preference system that will lead to heartburn for those new ALJ's wanting to transfer while the hiring process is still going on as these hiring request seem to be covering large swaths of the respective regions. Anyone want to start a poll to see how many first cert hires have requested transfers and to which region? Do you think enough still follow to make it meaningful? Why regions? Seems like most people want to transfer to a city, not a different region. Am I missing something? I think many would take just getting to a city in the same state if their preferred city was locked up. The way they are running the certs it seems like some people who would settle for just getting to an open spot in a less popular city but in the state they want would get locked out. For example suppose someone who just became eligible for transfer is currently in Cincinatti but just took that city to get the job. They really want Savannah but Savannah is never open (I don't know if this is actually true, it's just for the sake of the example) but they are willing to take Macon to at least be a lot closer and be in their chosen state. Unfortunately the Cert got pulled for Macon and the rest of the open offices in the region before they became eligible for the transfer list and now they are locked out of that office and probably the any other open office that is close by. Even honoring preferences to the greatest extent that is practicable some people are going to end up far from home and would like to quickly transfer closer even if they can't exactly where they want to be. If a whole region of open offices is locked up by Cert just as they become eligible to transfer I can see some heart burn occurring. I suppose it would eventually get worked out through the transfer rotations and reinforces the point of being able to live with any place you are willing to take for a few years.
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Post by anotherfed on Dec 1, 2014 7:38:34 GMT -5
Bump
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Post by mamaru on Dec 1, 2014 8:33:26 GMT -5
Thanks saao. Your example makes sense. I suppose there are some who would take "closer" to where they want to be. I would personally find it hard to do that because you are then stuck there for two years after you transfer. Unless "closer" is really close or home is virtually impossible, or I totally hated my office, my inclination would be to stay put rather than try to get closer by increments. But that's just me.
I still think polling by region would be overly broad, given the size of the regions. A location in another state in a different region may actually be closer to "home." Although my "next" closest office to home is in the same state and same region, the second closest is in a different state and different region. It is a four-hour commute by car (no plane). If I were assigned somewhere with a four-hour of less plane ride (doorstep to doorstep) I would just stay put and wait for an opening at home. I am not a huge fan of gathering information unless it really helps and I think a poll specific to cities would be more helpful.
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Post by Gaidin on Dec 1, 2014 10:05:01 GMT -5
Its almost an 8 hour drive from Harlingen to Dallas. Just being in the same state out west isn't really the same as being in the same state on the east coast and being in Texas doesn't really mean the same thing at all as being in say South Carolina.
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Post by gary on Dec 1, 2014 11:59:28 GMT -5
Its almost an 8 hour drive from Harlingen to Dallas. Just being in the same state out west isn't really the same as being in the same state on the east coast and being in Texas doesn't really mean the same thing at all as being in say South Carolina. Doesn't even have to be out west. Chicago is closer to Valpo and Mikwaukee than it is to Peoria.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Dec 1, 2014 12:54:31 GMT -5
Skippy - there have been a few surprises on the first 2 lists, but, for the most part it has been the usual suspects. Heavily concentrated in the Midwest, South/Southeast, Appalachia/Mid-Atlantic - relatively speaking, less than fully desireable cities with ODAR offices, albeit with a surprising flood of SoCal cities and oddities like Spokane, Eugene, Salt Lake City, Tuscon, Albuquerque, Orlando!, etc., thrown in for good measure - to keep us all guessing.
At this point, I would not speculate too heavily, but to suggest that cities that almost always get new hires will be on future certificate lists, with a few surprises and unusual cities sprinkled in for seasoning.
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Post by moopigsdad on Dec 1, 2014 12:57:33 GMT -5
The "usual suspects" is always a good guess Ace! The occasional surprise sprinkled in always does occur, too.
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Post by hopefalj on Dec 1, 2014 13:18:44 GMT -5
Skippy - there have been a few surprises on the first 2 lists, but, for the most part it has been the usual suspects. Heavily concentrated in the Midwest, South/Southeast, Appalachia/Mid-Atlantic - relatively speaking, less than fully desireable cities with ODAR offices, albeit with a surprising flood of SoCal cities and oddities like Spokane, Eugene, Salt Lake City, Tuscon, Albuquerque, Orlando!, etc., thrown in for good measure - to keep us all guessing. At this point, I would not speculate too heavily, but to suggest that cities that almost always get new hires will be on future certificate lists, with a few surprises and unusual cities sprinkled in for seasoning. I'm curious to see if any hires are made in the current "surprise" cities. From what I've heard, they didn't work the transfer list for SLC prior to issuing the cert, which I thought was a big no-no under the new agreement. Edit: from Gaiden's transfer list from April this year, there were 8 transfers on the list for Nashville, 7 for SLC, and 8 for Orlando. Those would seem like long shots to get filled by newbies, although it's possible those waiting went elsewhere or declined the opportunity.
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Post by dudeabides on Dec 1, 2014 14:49:13 GMT -5
Here is how I "passed the time" today:
Went down and sat in on the oral arguments in the Supreme Court today in (1) Perez v. Mortgage Bankers Association (720 F.3d 966) and (2) Elonis v. United States (730 F.3d 321).
In Perez, the D.C. Circuit invalided a Dept of Labor 2010 interpretative rule under the Fair Labor Standards Act) where the DOL reversed its own 2006 interpretative rule. Very interesting admin law issues. Chevron. Auer. Vermont Yankee.
In Elonis, the 3rd Circuit affirmed the conviction of a guy who posted death threats (against his ex-wife, ER, FBI and the local elementary school) on his Facebook page. First amendment and statutory interpretation issues.
Elonis will make the TV news tonight. Perez is more obscure, but much more important to those of us who practice administrative law.
Best news: Ginsburg was there (after having a stent put in her heart last Wednesday) and actively asking good questions (as usual). Talk about tough! At the end of the oral arguments, she was very slow to leave. But we all stood and waited in silence.
If you have never sat in on a Supreme Court oral argument, you ought to do so. Always awesome.
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Post by mamaru on Dec 1, 2014 18:37:41 GMT -5
Its almost an 8 hour drive from Harlingen to Dallas. Just being in the same state out west isn't really the same as being in the same state on the east coast and being in Texas doesn't really mean the same thing at all as being in say South Carolina. Doesn't even have to be out west. Chicago is closer to Valpo and Mikwaukee than it is to Peoria. My point exactly Gary. As we know from City of the Day, I grew up by Peoria and have been accused of needing to recuse myself constantly if I end up there because most of the local residents are my cousins. (Bob, if you're reading this, that is a joke.)
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Post by moopigsdad on Dec 2, 2014 7:48:38 GMT -5
BUMP
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