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Post by cafeta on Dec 16, 2015 2:44:10 GMT -5
.............but I say all of that to get to this point: I think many are just venting and they should be allowed to do that. Some are just racking up posting stats....they want to become that widely sought after "forum legend"!!! Nuff said, we should indeed move on. Keep going readynow, you're almost there! Just kiddin' guy, for many of us, you are already a forum legend! I would never count my posts! [aside....."am I at 400 yet?....]. I Agree tho, time to move on, the "400" joke will be dated within days! But seriously, I love this place!
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Post by auroraborealis on Dec 16, 2015 3:48:41 GMT -5
Has anyone else tested after Thanksgiving and can report their numbers for the WD/LBMT test day? So far, only 5 folks were nice enough to post (or IM) those numbers. There are 12 testing days from 30 November to 17 December, more data is needed please. BTW - my complete WAG based upon the incomplete data we have to date suggests a total of around 875 folks were scheduled to take the WD/LBMT/SI from 5 October to 17 December, but closer to 725 actually showed up and completed the exam. I second this WAG except I don't think there were 150 no shows. I'd say closer to 800 tested.
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Post by 71stretch on Dec 16, 2015 7:50:35 GMT -5
Has anyone else tested after Thanksgiving and can report their numbers for the WD/LBMT test day? So far, only 5 folks were nice enough to post (or IM) those numbers. There are 12 testing days from 30 November to 17 December, more data is needed please. BTW - my complete WAG based upon the incomplete data we have to date suggests a total of around 875 folks were scheduled to take the WD/LBMT/SI from 5 October to 17 December, but closer to 725 actually showed up and completed the exam. I second this WAG except I don't think there were 150 no shows. I'd say closer to 800 tested. I'm not convinced the testing number is that high, with the incomplete data we have, but it could be. Next question will be how many make it over the hurdle. We lost a lot at the WD/SI stage last time around.
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Post by mamaru on Dec 16, 2015 8:12:21 GMT -5
I am confident that the second rounders (those who were allowed to test because the "passing" score from online testing was lowered) have the ability to do as well as the first rounders on the DC testing, but if the scores from the on-line testing are factored into the NOR, they are going to have to do better in DC to end up with a NOR. Wishing them much success, hoping that the DC interviewers knocked it out of the ballpark, and those still waiting to get notice they are on a cert get good news in 2016.
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Post by gary on Dec 16, 2015 8:23:36 GMT -5
I am confident that the second rounders (those who were allowed to test because the "passing" score from online testing was lowered) have the ability to do as well as the first rounders on the DC testing, but if the scores from the on-line testing are factored into the NOR, they are going to have to do better in DC to end up with a NOR. Wishing them much success, hoping that the DC interviewers knocked it out of the ballpark, and those still waiting to get notice they are on a cert get good news in 2016. I disagree. 1. The total score does factor in the online components. Therefore I expect the distribution of scores of this coming group to have a lower mean and median. 2. There is no overall passing total score to get on the register, so performance on the online components will not affect anyone's chances of getting on the register. 3. The WD and the SI do have passing scores. However, they are wholly creatures of DC and performance on them will not be affected by prior performance on the online components.
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Post by Ready-Now! on Dec 16, 2015 11:42:23 GMT -5
or the weighting of the online component was changed as well.
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Post by gary on Dec 16, 2015 11:48:28 GMT -5
The new people will be put on the same register as those of us who were put on it in 3/2014. At this point, OPM has to apply the same scoring they did in 2013-14.
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Post by mamaru on Dec 16, 2015 12:06:06 GMT -5
I am confident that the second rounders (those who were allowed to test because the "passing" score from online testing was lowered) have the ability to do as well as the first rounders on the DC testing, but if the scores from the on-line testing are factored into the NOR, they are going to have to do better in DC to end up with a NOR. Wishing them much success, hoping that the DC interviewers knocked it out of the ballpark, and those still waiting to get notice they are on a cert get good news in 2016. I disagree. 1. The total score does factor in the online components. Therefore I expect the distribution of scores of this coming group to have a lower mean and median. 2. There is no overall passing total score to get on the register, so performance on the online components will not affect anyone's chances of getting on the register. 3. The WD and the SI do have passing scores. However, they are wholly creatures of DC and performance on them will not be affected by prior performance on the online components.
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Post by mamaru on Dec 16, 2015 13:19:11 GMT -5
I am confident that the second rounders (those who were allowed to test because the "passing" score from online testing was lowered) have the ability to do as well as the first rounders on the DC testing, but if the scores from the on-line testing are factored into the NOR, they are going to have to do better in DC to end up with a NOR. Wishing them much success, hoping that the DC interviewers knocked it out of the ballpark, and those still waiting to get notice they are on a cert get good news in 2016. I disagree. 1. The total score does factor in the online components. Therefore I expect the distribution of scores of this coming group to have a lower mean and median. 2. There is no overall passing total score to get on the register, so performance on the online components will not affect anyone's chances of getting on the register. 3. The WD and the SI do have passing scores. However, they are wholly creatures of DC and performance on them will not be affected by prior performance on the online components. I totally agree with points 1 and 3. I disagree with point 2 - It seems to me that one and two are contradictory. Do we know for sure that if you pass both (regardless of the score on each) you get a NOR?
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Post by gary on Dec 16, 2015 13:35:33 GMT -5
OPM said in its explanation of the scores:
"Applicants were required to achieve a minimum score on the WD and SI to receive a final numerical rating and be added to the register of eligible applicants for employment consideration."
OPM did not state that any other minimum score, including a minimum total score, was necessary to be added to the register.
Expressio unius est exclusio alterius.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Dec 16, 2015 13:42:02 GMT -5
OPM did not state that any other minimum score, including a minimum total score, was necessary to be added to the register. Everything you said was true. However, with a minimum qualifying score required (and this was mentioned at every step of the application process, BTW) - for each component of testing, at the end of the day, there is an implied minimum overall score to receive placement on the register - a weighted averaged of the minimum scores of each component. Although this is largely semantics, it is nonetheless true. And if OPM were to adjust the scoring thresholds for one, I believe they would have to do so for everyone in the current testing cycle going back to 2013. As always, JMHO, and I'm probably wrong on one or more elements of my analysis. The stubby pencil and Big Chief tablet can only point the way, we must follow them for the answers.
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Post by gary on Dec 16, 2015 15:01:40 GMT -5
OPM said in the JOA:
"Final Numerical Rating: Applicants who complete all portions of the assessment process and achieve a minimum required score on both the WD and SI will be issued a final numerical rating on a scale of 1 – 100."
So there is no minimum total score required to be added to the register.
How they combine the component scores to compute that final numerical rating is a whole other subject. It is not simply a matter of adding scores of the components together, with or without weighting.
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Post by 71stretch on Dec 16, 2015 15:15:47 GMT -5
I disagree. 1. The total score does factor in the online components. Therefore I expect the distribution of scores of this coming group to have a lower mean and median. 2. There is no overall passing total score to get on the register, so performance on the online components will not affect anyone's chances of getting on the register. 3. The WD and the SI do have passing scores. However, they are wholly creatures of DC and performance on them will not be affected by prior performance on the online components. I totally agree with points 1 and 3. I disagree with point 2 - It seems to me that one and two are contradictory. Do we know for sure that if you pass both (regardless of the score on each) you get a NOR? If you pass both the WD and the SI, then yes, you get on the register. You've passed the online just to get to the "live" parts of the testing. And 2 is correct, and not contradictory with # 1. If you get through the online part and qualify to do the WD and SI, and you pass those, you get on the register. What your score was on the online part will factor in to the total score. There is no longer a minimum total score to make the register.
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Post by mamaru on Dec 16, 2015 15:35:07 GMT -5
I totally agree with points 1 and 3. I disagree with point 2 - It seems to me that one and two are contradictory. Do we know for sure that if you pass both (regardless of the score on each) you get a NOR? If you pass both the WD and the SI, then yes, you get on the register. You've passed the online just to get to the "live" parts of the testing. And 2 is correct, and not contradictory with # 1. If you get through the online part and qualify to do the WD and SI, and you pass those, you get on the register. What your score was on the online part will factor in to the total score. There is no longer a minimum total score to make the register. Still confused. Is the reason we didn't have people with really low scores (like 20 or 30) on the register is that the minimum passing scores on the WD plus the SI added up to the bottom line score?
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Post by 71stretch on Dec 16, 2015 16:15:02 GMT -5
If you pass both the WD and the SI, then yes, you get on the register. You've passed the online just to get to the "live" parts of the testing. And 2 is correct, and not contradictory with # 1. If you get through the online part and qualify to do the WD and SI, and you pass those, you get on the register. What your score was on the online part will factor in to the total score. There is no longer a minimum total score to make the register. Still confused. Is the reason we didn't have people with really low scores (like 20 or 30) on the register is that the minimum passing scores on the WD plus the SI added up to the bottom line score? I think that's essentially correct. To pass all 3, even though it talks about a total score from 1-100, you'd have to end up with some reasonable number. It can't really mean that someone could be on the register with a score, say, less than 40, or much less than the reported minimum we have now.
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Post by roggenbier on Dec 16, 2015 18:11:32 GMT -5
875-1100 people to fill 250 positions this year and 800 new positions total, 3 candidates for each location. There will be at least a two year hiatus in testing as the Presidential regime changes. Hmm, if I were OPM and 875 people tested, I would be worried.
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Post by catspaw on Dec 16, 2015 19:43:54 GMT -5
Unless there is some unexpected cooperation between the Administrations in an understanding of the importance of moving these backlogs . . . is that possible?
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Post by Serious, J. on Dec 17, 2015 8:33:35 GMT -5
OPM said in the JOA: "Final Numerical Rating: Applicants who complete all portions of the assessment process and achieve a minimum required score on both the WD and SI will be issued a final numerical rating on a scale of 1 – 100."So there is no minimum total score required to be added to the register. How they combine the component scores to compute that final numerical rating is a whole other subject. It is not simply a matter of adding scores of the components together, with or without weighting. So if that is true, the people who did not get a passing score on the SI can't be saved by a high score on the WD. Wouldn't that mean that OPM need only grade the WDs of people who got a passing score on the SI? It would follow that OPM already knows a subset of testees who will not make the cut based simply on the SI. There will be a further subset of testees who don't make the cut based on the minimum score for the WD, so I can see why the news (a specific NOR or news of no NOR) would be released as a group. Otherwise, speculation would be rampant. (Not on this board, of course. )
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Post by gary on Dec 17, 2015 10:18:35 GMT -5
OPM said in the JOA: "Final Numerical Rating: Applicants who complete all portions of the assessment process and achieve a minimum required score on both the WD and SI will be issued a final numerical rating on a scale of 1 – 100."So there is no minimum total score required to be added to the register. How they combine the component scores to compute that final numerical rating is a whole other subject. It is not simply a matter of adding scores of the components together, with or without weighting. So if that is true, the people who did not get a passing score on the SI can't be saved by a high score on the WD. Wouldn't that mean that OPM need only grade the WDs of people who got a passing score on the SI? It would follow that OPM already knows a subset of testees who will not make the cut based simply on the SI. There will be a further subset of testees who don't make the cut based on the minimum score for the WD, so I can see why the news (a specific NOR or news of no NOR) would be released as a group. Otherwise, speculation would be rampant. (Not on this board, of course. ) In 2014 some reported receiving emails from OPM saying they had failed both the WD and SI, so OPM will grade both the SI and WD of anyone who fails to make the cut on either.
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Post by Gaidin on Dec 17, 2015 10:19:48 GMT -5
OPM said in the JOA: "Final Numerical Rating: Applicants who complete all portions of the assessment process and achieve a minimum required score on both the WD and SI will be issued a final numerical rating on a scale of 1 – 100."So there is no minimum total score required to be added to the register. How they combine the component scores to compute that final numerical rating is a whole other subject. It is not simply a matter of adding scores of the components together, with or without weighting. So if that is true, the people who did not get a passing score on the SI can't be saved by a high score on the WD. Wouldn't that mean that OPM need only grade the WDs of people who got a passing score on the SI? It would follow that OPM already knows a subset of testees who will not make the cut based simply on the SI. There will be a further subset of testees who don't make the cut based on the minimum score for the WD, so I can see why the news (a specific NOR or news of no NOR) would be released as a group. Otherwise, speculation would be rampant. (Not on this board, of course. ) They will grade everything because they have to notify the candidate which portions of the test they were unsuccessful on so that the candidate can make an appeal.
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