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Post by aljhopeful2 on Dec 9, 2015 12:51:24 GMT -5
Et moi, aussi. Tell me, o learned ones - the responses aren't due til Jan. 6, so what does that indicate? That I'll be considered for any additional cities this go-round (the options apparently are limited to an attached "JOA list" which I haven't opened yet)? That the hiring committee won't meet til after 1/6? Something else? Was there an actual attachment to the email or just a link to log in? There was no attachment to the email I received.
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Post by yellowbird on Dec 9, 2015 12:56:18 GMT -5
Mine does not have an attachment either....you can access the available cities by starting the survey (just don't hit "submit")
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Post by keepsake on Dec 9, 2015 12:56:38 GMT -5
Just a link in my email - no attachment. I have not looked at the survey yet but would think the JOA list referred to is the same as the original job announcement list that was provided in the announcement back in the day, with any modifications depending on new offices opened by an agency (if any) and/or closed (if any).
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Post by anotherfed on Dec 9, 2015 13:10:50 GMT -5
Great news, everyone! Take another look at the more out-of-the-way places, and remember, very few are without access to air transportation, so consider whether being a weekend commuter is feasible. And consider that some of the offices with the highest ALJ turnover are also some of the best offices, with the best personnel and case loads -- the only thing they have against them is geography. Now go forth and expand!
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Post by hapi2balj on Dec 9, 2015 13:13:44 GMT -5
Et moi, aussi. Tell me, o learned ones - the responses aren't due til Jan. 6, so what does that indicate? That I'll be considered for any additional cities this go-round (the options apparently are limited to an attached "JOA list" which I haven't opened yet)? That the hiring committee won't meet til after 1/6? Something else? Was there an actual attachment to the email or just a link to log in? There was no attachment to the email I received. Sorry - in my haste to get a post out, I didn't look at the e-mail as carefully as I should have. My pitiful excuse is that I was at lunch on my phone which is one of the smaller-screen versions. It's just a link.
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Post by hapi2balj on Dec 9, 2015 13:18:24 GMT -5
Just a link in my email - no attachment. I have not looked at the survey yet but would think the JOA list referred to is the same as the original job announcement list that was provided in the announcement back in the day, with any modifications depending on new offices opened by an agency (if any) and/or closed (if any). You are right about the JOA, keepsake.
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Post by Gaidin on Dec 9, 2015 13:32:13 GMT -5
Without any additional information I believe that this GAL expansion/retraction will not affect the current set of certs. I surmise that on January 6 OPM will add the information to all future certs. That however, will be to late to affect the current certs.
All that being said I will be completing the survey and agreeing to all locations later today in case I am wrong.
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Post by anotherfed on Dec 9, 2015 13:39:42 GMT -5
Without any additional information I believe that this GAL expansion/retraction will not affect the current set of certs. I surmise that on January 6 OPM will add the information to all future certs. That however, will be to late to affect the current certs. All that being said I will be completing the survey and agreeing to all locations later today in case I am wrong. 14 million thumbs up!
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Post by robespierre on Dec 9, 2015 13:50:13 GMT -5
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Post by Gaidin on Dec 9, 2015 13:52:41 GMT -5
As a practical matter, isn't the survey for expanding your GAL, not contracting it? I mean, what would be the point of striking cities off the GAL when you can always decline them when you make a cert? shhhhhhh..... Shush now let these people do what feels right to them. Don't distract them in any way.
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Post by hapi2balj on Dec 9, 2015 13:54:51 GMT -5
Without any additional information I believe that this GAL expansion/retraction will not affect the current set of certs. I surmise that on January 6 OPM will add the information to all future certs. That however, will be to late to affect the current certs. All that being said I will be completing the survey and agreeing to all locations later today in case I am wrong. But, is the January 6th date a possible hint that the hiring committee will not be meeting until after that date? Not that it seems likely it'll meet the week of Christmas or New Year's anyway - but since Jan. 6th is a Wednesday, maybe we're looking at the week of Jan. 11th at the earliest? That may be cutting it a bit close for a Feb. 8th start date. Thoughts?
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Post by Propmaster on Dec 9, 2015 14:29:13 GMT -5
Without any additional information I believe that this GAL expansion/retraction will not affect the current set of certs. I surmise that on January 6 OPM will add the information to all future certs. That however, will be to late to affect the current certs. All that being said I will be completing the survey and agreeing to all locations later today in case I am wrong. But, is the January 6th date a possible hint that the hiring committee will not be meeting until after that date? Not that it seems likely it'll meet the week of Christmas or New Year's anyway - but since Jan. 6th is a Wednesday, maybe we're looking at the week of Jan. 11th at the earliest? That may be cutting it a bit close for a Feb. 8th start date. Thoughts? No. The hiring committee is SSA and the GAL is OPM. If SSA/ODAR was going to get benefit from the GAL expansion, they would need a new cert, which would mean throwing the current cert out altogether. In that case, there's no way the hiring committee could meet as soon as January 6, because they would need to get a whole bunch more interviews done, potentially. Note: That's why the 15-month requirement is not given in connection with this GAL expansion opportunity - that is an SSA rule, not a general, federal ALJ rule.
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Post by gary on Dec 9, 2015 14:57:20 GMT -5
I think:
1. 1/6 is just our due date. It will take OPM a little time to process all of our responses; 2. This will not affect the hiring for 2/8; 3. After the dust has settled on this, SSA may either get new certs or have the present certs supplemented by the addition of people whose GALs will now include certed cities they did not have before; 4. The JOA stuff means everybody will get another crack at GAL modification whenever they do a refresh.
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Post by 71stretch on Dec 9, 2015 17:47:22 GMT -5
Without any additional information I believe that this GAL expansion/retraction will not affect the current set of certs. I surmise that on January 6 OPM will add the information to all future certs. That however, will be to late to affect the current certs. All that being said I will be completing the survey and agreeing to all locations later today in case I am wrong. But, is the January 6th date a possible hint that the hiring committee will not be meeting until after that date? Not that it seems likely it'll meet the week of Christmas or New Year's anyway - but since Jan. 6th is a Wednesday, maybe we're looking at the week of Jan. 11th at the earliest? That may be cutting it a bit close for a Feb. 8th start date. Thoughts? The 1/6 deadline in the survey has nothing to do with these active certs. That said, with the holidays the committee likely won't meet much before that.
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Post by Gaidin on Dec 9, 2015 19:36:20 GMT -5
If this affects the current certs then ODAR almost has to go back to square 1 with them. There will be people who need to be interviewed because they added cities on the certs. That will require new reference checks and new paperwork etc. They can't do all that and get hires made for a 2/8 start date.
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Post by gary on Dec 9, 2015 19:40:08 GMT -5
I don't think OPM will make the GAL changes effective until after SSA hires for 2/8. My guess is offers will be completed about 1/15/2016.
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Post by 71stretch on Dec 9, 2015 21:23:29 GMT -5
I don't think OPM will make the GAL changes effective until after SSA hires for 2/8. My guess is offers will be completed about 1/15/2016. There's no reason for them to wait until after the hires, but there's no reason not to wait until then, either.
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Post by gary on Dec 9, 2015 21:50:16 GMT -5
I don't think OPM will make the GAL changes effective until after SSA hires for 2/8. My guess is offers will be completed about 1/15/2016. There's no reason for them to wait until after the hires, but there's no reason not to wait until then, either. If OPM does not supplement a pending cert with eligibles newly qualified to be on the cert after issuance of the cert, I would agree. I am not sure that is the case.
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Post by 71stretch on Dec 9, 2015 22:07:05 GMT -5
There's no reason for them to wait until after the hires, but there's no reason not to wait until then, either. If OPM does not supplement a pending cert with eligibles newly qualified to be on the cert after issuance of the cert, I would agree. I am not sure that is the case. I'm no expert on OPM rules, so I don't know if they can supplement a pending cert on request, (I'm going to guess no) or the agency can ask for new certs for cities they didn't fill slots for, or.... As often happens, they may not fill certain vacancies from the 11/30 certs, and ask for new ones in the next round
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Post by gary on Dec 9, 2015 22:14:10 GMT -5
I too am taking my best guess. I thought there was somebody who won an appeal late summer who got an interview without new certs. There is every chance my memory is faulty, but that is what I'm going on.
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