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Post by christina on Jul 4, 2019 9:06:39 GMT -5
Let go before or when nte expires. I’ll try to post more later but in capacity of long term employee not manager. Never been manager but I’ve picked up stuff including personnel related stuff over the years
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Post by aljfthrow on Jul 4, 2019 9:13:23 GMT -5
We have some in our office on 4 year NTEs who applied to the new permanent positions that were posted this year. I think the question of "who is more likely to get RIFed first" is of particular interest to them. Would they be more likely to get RIFed as a 2018 NTE or a 2019 permanent? It's a really tough decision to make for sure.
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Post by christina on Jul 4, 2019 9:39:13 GMT -5
it's also my understanding NTE means you can let go any time during your time at oho. it can be 4 years. it can be 6 months. you can be let go for any reason other than a "bad" reason(e.g. age discrimination) but with our drop off in writing, oho clearly has the "any" reason. I've heard rumors this could happen and was being looked at but until Pixie's post, I wanted to just treat them as rumors cause things change and they still can.
It is my hope one reason Senior Attys have all been abruptly pulled from writing is to see what is left to write with 5O0+ less people. perhaps this is to help determine how many to let go. perhaps it is to avoid letting anyone go(would not assume that with current POTUS and these changes coming right after the new Commish showed up) but one can hope. i think the fact that we are actively hiring or just hired(whichever it is) new people is a good sign agency does not want to let anyone or at least a lot of people go.
if i were in your shoes, I'd ask my GS point blank what is going on and if you are let go, can you get unemployment(i think yes on unemployment) but i sure would want to double check if i were in your shoes. you may not get the full story from your GS regarding possible layoffs. They may be in position that they don't know for sure either are instructed to not talk on will there be layoffs.
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Post by christina on Jul 4, 2019 9:49:07 GMT -5
I'd be looking for other jobs too if i were in your shoes.
I transitioned from NTE to permanent during the summer after early retirees left. This happens a lot with oho although I don't know about recently. but hang onto the thought that oho may be able to offer you a permanent spot if enough people retire. In the past, each region had x number of FTE spots(not sure exactly what FTE stands for but in practicality, it's full time employee slots). With things being centralized these days, not sure if FTEs will be handled by region or handled otherwise.
i hope this helps. and i hope a manager can jump in and correct any errors I may have made in these posts. I also suggest contacting NTEU or AFGE. I don't believe either union has tons of info yet(unless they just got info this week) but they get a very slight heads up on these issues and for what they don't know yet, they can ask questions on your behalf regarding possible layoffs.
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Post by banks on Jul 4, 2019 13:12:15 GMT -5
Check your state law, but you should be able to get unemployment if you are terminated. Don't resign!!!
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Post by 2rvrrun on Jul 4, 2019 14:05:53 GMT -5
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Post by Pixie on Jul 4, 2019 14:25:19 GMT -5
This is a follow up from the board member I quoted in my post above:
"The implication was that there was urgency to tell them immediately after the holiday. So I think soon, not at end of the 4 years."
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Post by jimmy224 on Jul 4, 2019 14:53:22 GMT -5
This is a follow up from the board member I quoted in my post above: "The implication was that there was urgency to tell them immediately after the holiday. So I think soon, not at end of the 4 years." Are you just talking about term employees or does this apply to tenure group 1 employees who have been with agency for years?
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Post by Pixie on Jul 4, 2019 15:57:28 GMT -5
This is a follow up from the board member I quoted in my post above: "The implication was that there was urgency to tell them immediately after the holiday. So I think soon, not at end of the 4 years." Are you just talking about term employees or does this apply to tenure group 1 employees who have been with agency for years? The way I understood the info is it was only the 4 year NTE employees. Pixie
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Post by christina on Jul 4, 2019 18:55:53 GMT -5
This is a follow up from the board member I quoted in my post above: "The implication was that there was urgency to tell them immediately after the holiday. So I think soon, not at end of the 4 years." This is upsetting. We should have given people more notice. I wish I had passed on what at the time was just gossip when I first heard it now.
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Post by generalsherman on Jul 4, 2019 19:23:59 GMT -5
Obviously this is nothing but speculation, but the poster Pixie quoted said management had no information there’d be layoffs/RIF whatever you call it, just that if there were, NTEs would be first. My office and later region had the backlog down to zero sometime in May, and we had an email from the union at that time saying management told them there was no plan to get rid of anyone. I mean, if there is one thing I know from being in the government it’s that plans change all the time, so nobody knows anything. Personally I am amazed at the idea they would hire hundreds of new people, fly us from all over the country to train us, then launch us within a year. But who really knows anymore.
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Post by briscoej on Jul 4, 2019 21:52:21 GMT -5
This ^^^ Decision writers are excepted service so assuming no prior federal service it’s 2 years or if you are preference eligible 1 year when you can be fired for any non discriminatory reason. After that they have to wait until the end of the term and just not renew. Otherwise you are entitled to the same procedures as other employees and can appeal to the MSPB.
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Post by mbd on Jul 8, 2019 10:55:11 GMT -5
Have any SAAs on this board received assignments under this directive yet? Anyone else’s supervisor ignoring the “no writing” part and continuing to assign the most complex/longest cases pending to save the AAs’ DWPI?
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Post by Peabody on Jul 8, 2019 11:04:19 GMT -5
SAAs aren't writing in my office.
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Post by christina on Jul 8, 2019 11:18:01 GMT -5
Have any SAAs on this board received assignments under this directive yet? Anyone else’s supervisor ignoring the “no writing” part and continuing to assign the most complex/longest cases pending to save the AAs’ DWPI? I finished up dwpc cases I was in middle of last week and am now reviewing old cases.
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Post by everflowing on Jul 8, 2019 13:12:15 GMT -5
I was directed to only do 1000-day and critical reviews.
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Post by shoocat on Jul 8, 2019 15:38:35 GMT -5
I'd be looking for other jobs too if i were in your shoes. I transitioned from NTE to permanent during the summer after early retirees left. This happens a lot with oho although I don't know about recently. but hang onto the thought that oho may be able to offer you a permanent spot if enough people retire. In the past, each region had x number of FTE spots(not sure exactly what FTE stands for but in practicality, it's full time employee slots). With things being centralized these days, not sure if FTEs will be handled by region or handled otherwise. i hope this helps. and i hope a manager can jump in and correct any errors I may have made in these posts. I also suggest contacting NTEU or AFGE. I don't believe either union has tons of info yet(unless they just got info this week) but they get a very slight heads up on these issues and for what they don't know yet, they can ask questions on your behalf regarding possible layoffs. FTE=full time equivalent
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Post by Legal Beagle on Jul 8, 2019 17:31:51 GMT -5
I used to have a can of Alpo on my desk, just as a reminder . . .
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Post by Pixie on Jul 8, 2019 18:00:01 GMT -5
I'd be looking for other jobs too if i were in your shoes. I transitioned from NTE to permanent during the summer after early retirees left. This happens a lot with oho although I don't know about recently. but hang onto the thought that oho may be able to offer you a permanent spot if enough people retire. In the past, each region had x number of FTE spots(not sure exactly what FTE stands for but in practicality, it's full time employee slots). With things being centralized these days, not sure if FTEs will be handled by region or handled otherwise. i hope this helps. and i hope a manager can jump in and correct any errors I may have made in these posts. I also suggest contacting NTEU or AFGE. I don't believe either union has tons of info yet(unless they just got info this week) but they get a very slight heads up on these issues and for what they don't know yet, they can ask questions on your behalf regarding possible layoffs. FTE=full time equivalent Actually, I believe it is full time employee or equivalent. Pixie
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Post by Pixie on Jul 8, 2019 18:03:39 GMT -5
I used to have a can of Alpo on my desk, just as a reminder . . . Yes, ALPO and POST can be a time suck for those who use those statuses. Pixie
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