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Post by rhino on Apr 14, 2009 13:01:16 GMT -5
Is anyone willing to list the categories of the SSA scoring system? If I knew, I wouldn't - and I would suggest that anyone who DOES know NOT to so post. It is my understanding that those who have undergone the interview, either already this month or last year, are under an affirmative obligation not to reveal the substance of it. Listing the categories of the scoring system would be, IMHO, revealing the substance.
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Post by pm on Apr 14, 2009 13:31:35 GMT -5
I am not aware of any restriction on discussing the ODAR interview.
On the other hand, the ODAR scoring system is not generally known to candidates. I would expect that those who know the system are under their own restrictions not to divulge that information.
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Post by valkyrie on Apr 14, 2009 13:41:43 GMT -5
I have to agree with pm. We already know the OPM categories. The restrictions are on the knowledge of the questions and testing related to the categories. While I don't think knowing the categories would necessarily help in the interview, it could be helpful in terms of knowing how to improve one's experience base. When the old timer staff attorneys realized how much the odds were stacked against them in terms of lack of litigation experience, many of them went out and got contract work as arbitrators or pro bono litigation experience to fill out their resumes.
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Post by jagghagg on Apr 14, 2009 14:01:57 GMT -5
Val - PM....hey, I gather that the two of you are "insiders." If you think ODAR would be free with this information (and I do not) then give your personnel people a call and ask for a copy of the core competency sheets. Then you can post this information at will. As for anyone else who holds it, I'd suggest they not post it.
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Post by deaddisco on Apr 14, 2009 14:15:22 GMT -5
typical jagghagg. she wants to make sure you know that she knows more than you even if she can't support what she thinks she knows.
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Post by pm on Apr 14, 2009 14:47:18 GMT -5
JH, I don't think you have to be an insider to figure out most of the competencies. The questions they ask should reveal the nature of the competencies. I think most of these "competencies" were pretty thoroughly discussed before the interviews last year, except that no one was calling them competencies.
Familiarity with computers, experience with business travel, understanding of the nature of an ALJ's job, ability to churn out a heavy workload etc.
Assuming they don't have a non disclosure agreement this year, someone should post a list of questions after every one has interviewed and then we can sort through them and try to derive the competencies. And if someone is worried that it would unduly help others who arrive late to this board next year, I would make two observations:
1. You can't really change your competencies on short notice even if you know what ODAR is loking for. You can tweak your answers but if, for example, you have never traveled for business, you aren't going to score high in that competency. 2. We know from this year that most newbies are not going to search through old threads anyway. Many people are not even going to read all current threads.
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Post by jagghagg on Apr 14, 2009 15:00:43 GMT -5
typical jagghagg. she wants to make sure you know that she knows more than you even if she can't support what she thinks she knows. Ooooo, I feel so "baited" !! WhatEVER will I do ? Can I resist ? Well, sure I can because, you see, I really do know more than you, DD. You can't really change your competencies on short notice even if you know what ODAR is loking for. You can tweak your answers but if, for example, you have never traveled for business, you aren't going to score high in that competency. OMG, I agree with PM. It's just another sign of the Apocalypse.
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Post by valkyrie on Apr 14, 2009 16:12:47 GMT -5
I agree that most of the competencies should be obvious, but with a total of 14, maybe not all. Even if we should become enlightened, as noted, most of these areas of experience cannot be changed overnight. Then again, it depends upon how much you want the job. Taking a year to learn a new skill or otherwise develop experience could get a candidate a point or two, which could make all the difference come selection time. If each competency has three grades, those grades could be (1) no experience, (2) some experience, and (3) heavy experience. Where going from a (2) to a (3) would likely be difficult, going from a (1) to a (2) in the space of a year could be entirely possible. Lets face it, anyone not selected by September has to go through the whole thing all over again in 2010 anyway.
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Post by HogsFan on Apr 19, 2009 21:31:33 GMT -5
TallGreenFrog, Check your Personal Messages. Robin
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