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Post by valkyrie on Apr 11, 2009 10:13:27 GMT -5
"...they will give you one of three ranks (like A-B-C, or 1-2-3) in fourteen (14) areas or "competencies." Then, when you are in your group of three the average of those fourteen rankings will probably determine your overall SSA score. (Note this has no relationship to your OPM rank on the Register.)"
I am very curious about this scoring system, as it throws a major new factor into the whole selection process. We would have a situation where our OPM score, our GAL, and SSA's system of determining the order of high scores and geographic locations, all combine to determine our individual 3-candidate competitions. Then the SSA score determines the winners.
It makes perfect sense from the standpoint of SSA having a reasonable defense for its selections with an objectively non biased scoring system. This would not necessarily mean that SSA could not or would not weight the process to favor its own people. Suppose one of the categories is "Experience with Large Scale Computerized Data Storage and Retrieval Systems." This could result in a mid to high-level score for some outside candidates, but most likely a high score for all inside candidates. But, and this is a big "but," a general category like that is not "agency specific." A candidate could get such experience from any governmental agency or large corporation/firm/etc.
If anyone else knows any other specifics regarding this system, I'm sure we would all like to hear about it if possible. The more everybody knows, the more everybody can try and tailor their interviews and applications to these categories in the future.
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Post by jennifer on Apr 11, 2009 10:28:36 GMT -5
Is there any way of finding out one's ssa score relative to the average? Seems like a waste to keep giving out references if one has flunked the ssa assessment.
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Post by jennifer on Apr 11, 2009 12:27:53 GMT -5
I mean, you know, if it's a good thing for OPM to post its scores, why wouldn't it be a good thing for SSA to post its scores. Then, you wouldn't have people so on edge, if they could see, "Okay I blew it," & forget about this nonsense.
OPM is the personnel expert. Shouldn't SSA follow its lead?
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Post by globalpanda on Apr 11, 2009 14:42:40 GMT -5
I mean, you know, if it's a good thing for OPM to post its scores, why wouldn't it be a good thing for SSA to post its scores. Then, you wouldn't have people so on edge, if they could see, "Okay I blew it," & forget about this nonsense. OPM is the personnel expert. Shouldn't SSA follow its lead? There is a big difference between what SSA is doing at the selection interview, and, what OPM is doing in establishing and maintaining the Register. SSA is not rating you in order to establish a list of candidates, rather SSA is interviewing you in order to make a decision as to whether they want to hire you. Oddly enough, if you are not selected by SSA, you can ask the selecting official for a non-selection interview, in which you can get some feedback. Most folk do not avail themselves of the opportunity. Most likely because the fear that they will get the usual "there were better qualified candidates" type answers. |
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Post by jennifer on Apr 11, 2009 15:27:07 GMT -5
Who is the selecting official?
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Post by pm on Apr 11, 2009 15:32:55 GMT -5
I mean, you know, if it's a good thing for OPM to post its scores, why wouldn't it be a good thing for SSA to post its scores. Then, you wouldn't have people so on edge, if they could see, "Okay I blew it," & forget about this nonsense. OPM is the personnel expert. Shouldn't SSA follow its lead? But you probably wouldn't know if you blew it. You would first have to know the scores of everyone on the cert being considered for the cities you chose, and you will never know that. If everyone reported their ODAR scores here, then you would get a good idea of where you ranked with ODAR, but that doesn't matter if you don't know how your OPM scores ranked against your competition. If you have a high OPM score and a low ODAR score you may still get hired because it may be easier to reach you than someone with a high ODAR score and a low OPM score. As far as being on edge, that's always your choice. There are people who are always on edge and people who are never on edge. If ODAR scores were posted you would have some people come here and freak about about the score, no matter what it was. |
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Post by rhino on Apr 12, 2009 9:27:49 GMT -5
I think knowing that ODAR scores candidates in 14 areas with 3 possible rating in each area is about all we are going to know.
As for "being on edge" as a "choice" - it's a state of being, not a choice. The choice lies in how one deals with or copes with that state of being. Some want more information; some want less. Some drink beer; some eat comfort food. Some veg on the couc; others do yoga. I, myself, refuse to look at my mutual funds and IRA during these economic times. Whatever rings your bells...or not, so to speak!
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Post by puravida on Apr 12, 2009 10:33:31 GMT -5
I do not have any insider information about SSA ALJ hirings. But there are a lot of misconceptions on this board about federal hiring, and I've been involved with that for 20 plus years. Globalpanda and pm have the process exactly right. Once there is a cert, usually a panel is appointed to conduct interviews and make recommendations about selection. They decide ahead of time the qualities or skills they are looking for, and gear the interview questions toward those factors. The interview "score" is not comparable to your OPM score. Your rating from another panel may be quite different, because it is subjective. Also, your qualities may be evaluated not just for ability to do the job, but for your "fit" in a particular office, at that point in time.
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Post by Legal Beagle on Apr 12, 2009 11:23:06 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be interesting if one of the questions was whether you participate on the ALJ Discussion Board, and if so, what is your screen name? Now, that would be an interesting question, and I am sure a lot of people would like to see the answers!
Kind of like the report the other day that one ALJ asks a claimant if they are on Facebook and how much tim do they spend online.
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Post by jagghagg on Apr 12, 2009 11:36:10 GMT -5
Most of us would probably want to say, "Pixie" ! ;D
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Post by Legal Beagle on Apr 12, 2009 11:56:10 GMT -5
I can see it now: Call everyone who said Pixie back in and say, will the real Pixie stand up!
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Post by Pixie on Apr 12, 2009 12:21:11 GMT -5
OK, that brought a smile to my pixie like face.
But what about your interview, Beagle? Did you get the call? I would think you did, as I have seen no more angst posts from you.
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Post by Legal Beagle on Apr 12, 2009 12:32:31 GMT -5
Yep - at 7:40am last Saturday morning. This week my angst has been saved for watching The Masters.
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Post by privateatty on Apr 12, 2009 15:00:59 GMT -5
I can see it now: Call everyone who said Pixie back in and say, will the real Pixie stand up! They will know when she smiles her demure grin and and all the guys tremble like a maple leaf in an October wind.  |
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Post by Pixie on Apr 12, 2009 18:33:57 GMT -5
Oh my, now that made me blush.
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Post by tallgreenfrog on Apr 13, 2009 0:41:49 GMT -5
I'm curious about this system ... I have been an ALJ on the California Central Panel for a number of years, and before that I was a hearing officer for even longer. What I gather is that this type of experience may be taken into consideration at the SSA stage of the hiring process. Am I wrong?
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Post by ssaer on Apr 13, 2009 3:17:19 GMT -5
... I have been an ALJ on the California Central Panel for a number of years... What is the California Central Panel? |
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Post by valkyrie on Apr 13, 2009 8:31:33 GMT -5
State ALJs have been pretty favorably represented amongst the SSA ALJs.
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Post by northwest on Apr 13, 2009 9:48:28 GMT -5
What is the California Central Panel? Most states now have central panels of ALJs that decide cases involving a variety of state agencies. There are other state agencies that hire their own ALJs. |
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Post by valkyrie on Apr 14, 2009 12:19:21 GMT -5
Is anyone willing to list the categories of the SSA scoring system?
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