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Post by Pixie on Apr 15, 2009 19:29:52 GMT -5
Even though several posters have discussed it, ALJ and the Rabbit come to mind, some of you are getting worse, not better. This morning ALJDiscussion locked a thread because of the direction it was heading, and this afternoon I deleted an inappropriate thread.
As the different phases of the hiring process come to a close, and we get closer to the end, tempers are short and feelings frayed. It is time to sit back, take a deep breath and think before you post, especially if the post could be construed as negative toward one of the members. At this point some posters are seeing personal slights where I see none. So be cautious in your comments.
Remember, there may be an unmasking at your training class. The poster you are jabbing at today may be your classmate, or even your table mate this summer. There are a few parings even I would not like to see. Pix.
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Post by Legal Beagle on Apr 15, 2009 20:00:38 GMT -5
Thanks Pix! A haven of reason amidst a storm of stressed out lawyers.
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Post by ALJD on Apr 15, 2009 22:06:57 GMT -5
One thing Pix and I have tried to do on this board is to keep things civilized and have a fairly supportive environment. My preference has always been to keep the discussion free flowing, and some open disagreements and a little arguments here and there are perfectly acceptable and even contribute to robust discussions. However, when things get too personal and the discussion is doing nothing then trying to push another member's button or attacking them directly instead of only their idea/position, that's going too far. Thankfully Pix was around this afternoon to delete the offending thread and I didn't see it. If I did and it was as bad as the numbers of pm I got in my box from it, we would have one more permanently banned member tonight. Keep things civilized. It's ok to argue about ideas. But don't start a thread just to "call" someone out. That is absolutely not acceptable and reflects very poorly on the poster's judgment and temperament. Are you going to call out every claimant or rep that rub you the wrong way as an ALJ?  As I noted in my earlier posts, things are only going to get more stressful as we approach the offer stage. Try to be supportive and civilized, or at least try to be neutral. Don't add to people's stress level. If you want to be a judge, act judiciously. To the poster that posted the deleted thread. You're on my watch list now through the end of this hiring period. One more negative post from you and your e-mail account and IP address will be permanently blocked from this board. And once that's done, I will not unblock you. Ever. Anyone else acting that way will be treated the same. This board will not become the TOB.  I apologize for reading the riot act here. But what happened this afternoon was not acceptable and will not be tolerated. Now back to normal programming.  |
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Post by deaddisco on Apr 15, 2009 22:10:51 GMT -5
I posted the original posters own words. If you have a problem with that, if she had a problem with what she originally wrote, then go ahead and ban me.
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Post by ALJD on Apr 15, 2009 22:15:12 GMT -5
After your latest post. I went back read through your prior posts as well. Looks like that thread wasn't the first time you baited. Good bye.
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Post by globalpanda on Apr 15, 2009 22:21:33 GMT -5
After your latest post. I went back read through your prior posts as well. Looks like that thread wasn't the first time you baited. Good bye. I find that punishment a little harsh and over reactive, particularly given some of the posts from one or two members who insist on "slapping down" newbies for asking questions. As Deaddisco pointed out- it was her own words that he or she held up to scrutiny. Perhaps you would care to ban me as well. nlm |
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Post by ALJD on Apr 15, 2009 22:39:02 GMT -5
I find that punishment a little harsh and over reactive GB, Rest assured that if someone posted a thread calling you out, and then pipped up and said she did nothing wrong, and then I found more posts in the past where she was baiting you, I would ban that poster as well. This is not a full time job for me, and I really have no patience with repeat baiters/ griefers.Everyone has a choice to participate or not, but please don't poison the well for the rest of folks reading this board. It's ok to argue about ideas, but pure personal attacks should be kept in pms and off the board. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2009 23:58:49 GMT -5
Interesting. So it is not the vitriol we object to but merely its public expression?
I'm not judgin', I'm just sayin'. ;-)
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Post by decadealj on Apr 16, 2009 8:25:26 GMT -5
PF- AMEN! I have deleted TOB from my list- that is another option for those who are rabid!
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Post by valkyrie on Apr 16, 2009 9:33:55 GMT -5
Wow, I take a day off and the whole board goes to hell. I just want everyone to know that they are still on my Christmas list, even Professor Moriarty, I mean Jagghagg.
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Post by ALJD on Apr 16, 2009 9:45:55 GMT -5
Wow, I take a day off and the whole board goes to hell. Tell me about it. And I was only out for the afternoon/early evening. Thank God Pix was around or it could have been worse.  |
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Post by jagghagg on Apr 16, 2009 10:28:11 GMT -5
I just want everyone to know that they are still on my Christmas list, even Professor Moriarty, I mean Jagghagg. "...widely regarded as the first true supervillain..."  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_MoriartyHey, Ibbencawled worse.... |
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Post by apppending on Apr 16, 2009 11:27:35 GMT -5
This isn't fair!!! I didn't read the bad thread, I had to work! Now I'm really behind the curve!  What if the thread content is asked about in the interview by SSA interviewers? They may read the board too. What if I'm at a party and asked about this now eliminated thread but don't even know what they are talking about? My social standing will fall even lower! Darn work gets in the way of everything fun..... |
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Post by globalpanda on Apr 16, 2009 12:04:09 GMT -5
I find that punishment a little harsh and over reactive GB, Rest assured that if someone posted a thread calling you out, and then pipped up and said she did nothing wrong, and then I found more posts in the past where she was baiting you, I would ban that poster as well. This is not a full time job for me, and I really have no patience with repeat baiters/ griefers.Everyone has a choice to participate or not, but please don't poison the well for the rest of folks reading this board. It's OK to argue about ideas, but pure personal attacks should be kept in pms and off the board. Since I seem to have been the one to have started the worst of squabbling about being civil and courteous, particularly in response to questions from newbies... And since the worst offenders just do not seem to get it (see thread "Outsider Questions!!!".) Particularly folks who benefited greatly as newbie outsiders. And since I do not really see a high likelihood that things will change in the coterie of folks posting unfortunate comments, I just do not see any further benefit in posting on this board. I will be deleting my profile later today. In the meantime I leave you these words to ponder: Zo lang en dank voor alle Vissen. |
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Post by ALJD on Apr 16, 2009 12:27:07 GMT -5
I just do not see any further benefit in posting on this board. I will be deleting my profile later today. In the meantime I leave you these words to ponder: Zo lang en dank voor alle Vissen. "So long and thanks for all the fish." GB, I respect all of your contribution to this forum and I hope you'll reconsider. However, I stand by the decision I made yesterday. All journeys come to an end, and if we part today, I just want to thank you for all your wit and insights. It has been much appreciated. |
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Post by zero on Apr 16, 2009 12:40:06 GMT -5
Next to Pixie, I am perhaps the most politically correct person on this board so one might assume I would rush to the censor’s banner. Global Panda and Dead Disco have been around a long time and contributed a lot to this board. There is another poster who shall remain nameless (but his/her initials are PM) who has been known to make some prickly posts. IMHO, as long as a poster keeps coughing up good info and engages intelligently in the robust public debate, we should keep a light finger on the ban button. Besides, when there is nothing else going on, a properly labeled snipe and gripe thread can be fun reading.
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Post by privateatty on Apr 16, 2009 13:02:11 GMT -5
GB, Rest assured that if someone posted a thread calling you out, and then pipped up and said she did nothing wrong, and then I found more posts in the past where she was baiting you, I would ban that poster as well. This is not a full time job for me, and I really have no patience with repeat baiters/ griefers.Everyone has a choice to participate or not, but please don't poison the well for the rest of folks reading this board. It's OK to argue about ideas, but pure personal attacks should be kept in pms and off the board. Since I seem to have been the one to have started the worst of squabbling about being civil and courteous, particularly in response to questions from newbies... And since the worst offenders just do not seem to get it (see thread "Outsider Questions!!!".) Particularly folks who benefited greatly as newbie outsiders. And since I do not really see a high likelihood that things will change in the coterie of folks posting unfortunate comments, I just do not see any further benefit in posting on this board. I will be deleting my profile later today. In the meantime I leave you these words to ponder: Zo lang en dank voor alle Vissen. This is really all a BIG SHAME.  Globalpanda has been a very important Member of this Board. He has given us invaluable information. When he chastised me and jagghagg for being curt (and possibly rude) to a newbie regarding information already on the Board, I took it in stride. Notably, ALJDiscussion cleaned it all up by starting the FAQ threads. I think one of the problems regarding the issue of "civility" is that there are two distinct cultures here, the "non-adversarial" culture of SSA and the very adversarial culture of us trial lawyers. We in the latter group draft adversarial documents all day long and some of that must rub off on us. I think Pixie and ALJDiscussion understand this, even in its metaphysical context. GP, I don't think you have done anything "wrong" nor do I think Jagghagg has. If feelings have been hurt, that is deeply unfortunate. Maybe everybody can just pull together in these trying times? GP, please reconsider your decision. |
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Post by thedude on Apr 16, 2009 13:09:41 GMT -5
I emphatically agree with privateatty - the absence of GlobalPanda would be a tremendous loss to this board. GP proved on countless occasions to be an experienced voice of reason. Please reconsider.
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Post by Legal Beagle on Apr 16, 2009 13:49:10 GMT -5
Ditto here - we all need each other, and a little family squabbling is par for the course. Did I say that? Must mean I need to be outside chasing little white balls along green pastures.
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Post by chieftain on Apr 16, 2009 13:53:03 GMT -5
Privateattorney,
I am not accusing you or anyone else of being uncivil, but I can only buy into your point so far on the issue of "two cultures" being a cause for some of the recent discord on the board. I was in private practice for more than 10 years. When I was a new attorney I blew my cool once, and our senior partner did an even better job of chopping me down to size than the judge did. Since then I have learned, as I am sure you and others have learned, that one need not be "adversarial" with your adversaries. Zeal and a will to win should not ever become muddied snippiness and personal attacks. I'm sure that most, if not all, of us, have opposing counsel references who will speak well not only about our professional skill, but also our character and ethics, and that's the way it should be. Now that I am in the public sector, I see no reason to behave differently, even though it can be every bit as competitive as the private sector.
As others have pointed out, the latest round of snippy messages may very be brought on by stress with the hiring process. But we all have been conditioned to deal with stress on a daily basis. Being anything less than civil and professional doesn't impress anyone, and certainly doesn't help those who are trying to share useful information from this board. I am not saying anything new, but I felt like it was worth repeating.
Now please excuse me while I go chew out the guy who stocks our soda machine.
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As I noted in my earlier posts, things are only going to get more stressful as we approach the offer stage. Try to be supportive and civilized, or at least try to be neutral. Don't add to people's stress level. If you want to be a judge, act judiciously. 
What if the thread content is asked about in the interview by SSA interviewers? They may read the board too. What if I'm at a party and asked about this now eliminated thread but don't even know what they are talking about? My social standing will fall even lower! Darn work gets in the way of everything fun..... 
