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Post by darious on Apr 21, 2009 21:11:20 GMT -5
Apologize, but could not find anything on this using the "search" function. I know we receive an OPM score, and then interview at ODAR, and some sort of scoring also goes on there. How, if at all, are those two tied together? Thank you.
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Post by aljsouth on Apr 21, 2009 21:30:33 GMT -5
Unless you are a vet, the OPM score gets you to the interview in Falls Church. It does little else. If you are a vet and have the highest score for a site, then your OPM score may help you. SSA would have to explain why you weren't selected. Which it can do by offering you any site on your GAL that has an opening. If not a vet, forget about OPM. Do your best at the interview and don't worry about the scoring there. You will not know what scoring is being done or how it is done. Just relax, be positive, allay their fears.
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Post by okeydokey on Apr 21, 2009 21:32:34 GMT -5
My 2 cents. They are and they are not.
OPM maintains a register. Each candidate on the register is given a ranking of 1 to xxxx (the number of people on the register. Your OPM score plus any VP gives you your score for ranking purposes.
ODAR has no register and no candidates. At first. It determines the places it wants to hire ALJ. It then asks OPM to give it enough people to have at least three candidates per office. OPM sends the names on the certificate of eligibles (the cert).
ODAR interviews the certificate of eligibles and gives them a score.
ODAR determines it is going to do the hiring for a place (necessarilly one of the places on the list it gave to OPM). It most consider the highest three ranking people on the certificate for that city. ODAR may not choose a non-veteran over a veteran without doing a formal "pass-over". But, it does consider its internal scores among the top three candidates. It is this score, obstensibly that determines who is picked of the three.
So, the veteran's preference gets you in the door and throws up a roadblock for non-veterans with a lower score. The ODAR score is what gets you the job.
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Post by okeydokey on Apr 21, 2009 21:33:04 GMT -5
Or, what aljsouth said.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2009 9:08:36 GMT -5
Great information and good answers, guys. Thanks for the clarification.
Still, based on what you have posted, I am wondering about the mechanics of the veteran preference. In reality, wouldn't it just be easier on SSA to make all the vets offers? The additional 'pass over' notification to OPM seems like a pain. Maybe not.
I'm trying to think through a scenario where the vet would not get selected over his two competitors. Based upon the above, it appears that the explanation, 'the non-vet received a higher score from SSA' is good enough? But wouldn't that be choosing a non-vet over a vet? Once again, maybe the OPM pass over notification is no big deal. I wonder if OPM ever responds, or objects?
I also suppose that vets could get stacked against one another? Three vets in competition for one location...? Then, only SSA scores apply, but OPM still gets a pass over notice with a good explination..
The week of May 11th is now 19 days away....
R
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Post by jagghagg on Apr 22, 2009 9:28:25 GMT -5
The only time vet preference counts in a scoring is if the vet is "preference eligible" (because not ALL of us are). And the benefit is at OPM only (with regard to this hire.). The next time vet preference counts is under the Rule of Three. IF the vet is one of the three candidates (under the Rule) and is "preference eligible" then the agency cannot, without following a due process, bypass a 10-point vet for a non-vet with a lower score. (Which mean they CAN select another vet - of any preference category - with a lower score or a non-vet with a higher score.) The only time the preference-eligible vet gets notice of a Passover is if they are a 10-pointer and are nonselected in favor of a lower scoring non-vet.
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Post by legalrep on Apr 22, 2009 10:22:23 GMT -5
Does anyone know exactly what the interview file contains when it is sent off to Washington. What bearing will the file contents have on the selection process?
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Post by jagghagg on Apr 22, 2009 11:51:07 GMT -5
That upon which Yale Associates interviews has been, I learned last night, posted elsewhere on the board. Apparently if you do a search on the boards for "hardworking" over the past 30-35 days, a post by "Professor" has the basic questions being posed by the investigators listed out.
How important are the contents? Paramount.
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