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Post by privateatty on Apr 29, 2009 8:09:07 GMT -5
I'm wondering when, and how, and even if, the rejections come. Or do we just have to infer it from the absence of an offer? (I am sure this question applies only to me; everyone else will be getting a great offer!) And will it give any info at all about our continuing eligibility? Maybe I will change my monniker to "GL" for Geographically Limited. Thanks all. Yes, you will have to infer it. The form rejection letter, if it comes (think positive) will come much later.
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Post by Propmaster on Apr 29, 2009 14:12:24 GMT -5
I have received information from someone who COULD know (but doesn't necessarily in this case) that the first batch of offers is expected to go out on MAY 19 for appointees to report to duty stations on June 22 and go to training two weks later (after July 4). There was some indication that a second batch of offers would go out in late June for reporting and training one corresponding month later, although this was not clear.
I understand this is slightly earlier than we have been assuming and that we (at least I and some others) assumed all appointments would be offered at the same time (or thereabouts). Presumably, only time (or a more-inside insider) will tell.
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Post by ldtajesq on Apr 29, 2009 14:28:26 GMT -5
I was hoping for notice around "the week of May 11th" so, if I were fortunate enough to receive an offer, it would be the perfect birthday present (May 13). If I were to receive an offer on May 19, I could then consider it a belated b-day gift and drink then. So, the long and short of it is -- I'm either drinking to celebrate my b-day, drinking to celebrate getting an offer, or drinking to drowning my sorrows. But either way, I'll be drinkin'!
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Post by northwest on Apr 29, 2009 21:17:58 GMT -5
The projected offer dates of May 18 or 19 are consistent with what I was told at my interview that the date might be the week following May 11. This will be smack dab in the middle of my sailing trip from island to island in Croatia. (Not that I'm complaining. ) Those that received offers last go-around: How did the offers come (phone or e-mail or both)? How much time were you given to respond? I remember reading that it was e-mail & 48 hours, but I just want to confirm.
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Post by tab58 on Apr 30, 2009 9:18:28 GMT -5
I got a call yesterday from one of my references that they just finished up a background check. So evidently that part may not be over yet.
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Post by Propmaster on Apr 30, 2009 9:42:58 GMT -5
The projected offer dates of May 18 or 19 are consistent with what I was told at my interview that the date might be the week following May 11. This will be smack dab in the middle of my sailing trip from island to island in Croatia. (Not that I'm complaining. ) Those that received offers last go-around: How did the offers come (phone or e-mail or both)? How much time were you given to respond? I remember reading that it was e-mail & 48 hours, but I just want to confirm. I assume that you already have, but in case not: be sure to update OCALJ/ODAR on your locations and how to reach you (will you have a satellite phone, for example). I am sure that if they want to reach you, and you tell them how to do so, they will use the method that will get to you.
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Post by privateatty on Apr 30, 2009 12:03:52 GMT -5
I got a call yesterday from one of my references that they just finished up a background check. So evidently that part may not be over yet. Maybe 2000 or more people to call. Telephone tag. This is going to on and on and on....
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Post by chieftain on Apr 30, 2009 12:59:34 GMT -5
I don't think the contractor is required to have contact with each and every reference. My understanding is that they are supposed to talk to a total of 6, with a mix among the various categories. So while I'm sure there is still some phone tag going on, it should end soon. Last year the contractor had a deadline for completing their investigations. Most likely there is a similar deadline this year. I just don't know what it is. Knowing the deadline might shed some light on when offers are going out, but with a report date of June 22, I would be surprised if offers went out later than the week of May 18.
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Post by carjack on Apr 30, 2009 14:07:19 GMT -5
I would think the use of email questionnaires would make the contractors' jobs easier, although I imagine there is more lag time in actually getting the responses back from the references. They wouldn't have to try and fill the form out with the person on the phone and would have it all nice and neat, when and if they got it back. I don't think they did that last year did they?
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Post by appellant on Apr 30, 2009 15:14:43 GMT -5
with a report date of June 22, I would be surprised if offers went out later than the week of May 18. Does anyone know whether June 22d is still the anticipated start date?
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Post by Propmaster on Apr 30, 2009 15:35:48 GMT -5
I would think the use of email questionnaires would make the contractors' jobs easier, although I imagine there is more lag time in actually getting the responses back from the references. They wouldn't have to try and fill the form out with the person on the phone and would have it all nice and neat, when and if they got it back. I don't think they did that last year did they? I was a reference for several people last year and this year. I was not offered an e-mail option last year, but took advantage of it this year.
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Post by ssaer on Apr 30, 2009 16:15:16 GMT -5
with a report date of June 22, I would be surprised if offers went out later than the week of May 18. Does anyone know whether June 22d is still the anticipated start date? What has been "announced" to insiders is that the first new ALJ training is scheduled for July 6; the June 22 start date is two weeks prior to that, and assumes that the new ALJs will be assigned to their new duty stations for two weeks prior to training, as was generally (though not invariably) the case in the past.
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Post by kolekole on Apr 30, 2009 16:27:59 GMT -5
Received today:
"On an entirely different topic, AALJ has learned that the Agency is planning on sending out on 5/19/09 the notices to the new judges who are to be hired for the class starting on 7/6/09. A second class is to begin on 8/3. It is unclear if a 3rd class will start in September [making 3 classes of about 50+ judges versus 2 classes of about 75+ judges]. Presumably, the first group of judges would report to their assigned offices on 6/22, for a 2 week exposure to the office before beginning the formal training classes on 7/6, as was done with the classes hired in 2008. Presumably, the notices for the 2nd class will go out on about 6/23, with them reporting to their assigned office on 7/20."
Last year everyone selected on the same certificate was notified by email of their selection and individual start date at approximately the same time (Feb. 28?), so not sure what notices this refers to for the second class.
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Post by Propmaster on Apr 30, 2009 16:43:53 GMT -5
Thanks for posting. The word "presumably" tends to lessen the authoritative weight due to the information about a possible second set of notifications. However, I think it will be quite clear quite quickly if everyone is notified on May 19 or if there will be more - if everyone notified goes to training on July 6, there will obviously be more notifications. If there are two (or three) start dates, then everyone was notified at once, like last year.
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Post by privateatty on Apr 30, 2009 17:42:20 GMT -5
Received today: "On an entirely different topic, AALJ has learned that the Agency is planning on sending out on 5/19/09 the notices to the new judges who are to be hired for the class starting on 7/6/09. A second class is to begin on 8/3. It is unclear if a 3rd class will start in September [making 3 classes of about 50+ judges versus 2 classes of about 75+ judges]. Presumably, the first group of judges would report to their assigned offices on 6/22, for a 2 week exposure to the office before beginning the formal training classes on 7/6, as was done with the classes hired in 2008. Presumably, the notices for the 2nd class will go out on about 6/23, with them reporting to their assigned office on 7/20." Last year everyone selected on the same certificate was notified by email of their selection and individual start date at approximately the same time (Feb. 28?), so not sure what notices this refers to for the second class. Thanks kolekole. (Of course that's a Kanaka name...) This info is consistent with what we have heard from other sources. I'll take some pride in guessing in a prior post that offers will go out 5/19. But there will be a few sleepless nights for those who don't hear o/a 5/19 and hope that they will in a month's time...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2009 18:43:59 GMT -5
Received today: "On an entirely different topic, AALJ has learned that the Agency is planning on sending out on 5/19/09 the notices to the new judges who are to be hired for the class starting on 7/6/09. A second class is to begin on 8/3. It is unclear if a 3rd class will start in September [making 3 classes of about 50+ judges versus 2 classes of about 75+ judges]. Presumably, the first group of judges would report to their assigned offices on 6/22, for a 2 week exposure to the office before beginning the formal training classes on 7/6, as was done with the classes hired in 2008. Presumably, the notices for the 2nd class will go out on about 6/23, with them reporting to their assigned office on 7/20." I may be over-lawyering this, but I am still trying to reconcile what my interviewer told me about the week of May 11th and the message above. Is it possible that phone calls with offers will go out the week of May 11th and those that accept will be mailed their packets on May 19th? Focused on the "...sending out on 5/19/2009 the notices..." language. Could be? Anything to shorten the wait at this point. I'll just pretend that May 11th is day, and that all offers come out at once. The alternative, more waiting, is too depressing. Hang in there everyone....11 days til the week of May 11th! R
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Post by privateatty on Apr 30, 2009 19:07:02 GMT -5
Received today: "On an entirely different topic, AALJ has learned that the Agency is planning on sending out on 5/19/09 the notices to the new judges who are to be hired for the class starting on 7/6/09. A second class is to begin on 8/3. It is unclear if a 3rd class will start in September [making 3 classes of about 50+ judges versus 2 classes of about 75+ judges]. Presumably, the first group of judges would report to their assigned offices on 6/22, for a 2 week exposure to the office before beginning the formal training classes on 7/6, as was done with the classes hired in 2008. Presumably, the notices for the 2nd class will go out on about 6/23, with them reporting to their assigned office on 7/20." I may be over-lawyering this, but I am still trying to reconcile what my interviewer told me about the week of May 11th and the message above. Is it possible that phone calls with offers will go out the week of May 11th and those that accept will be mailed their packets on May 19th? Focused on the "...sending out on 5/19/2009 the notices..." language. Could be? Anything to shorten the wait at this point. I'll just pretend that May 11th is day, and that all offers come out at once. The alternative, more waiting, is too depressing. Hang in there everyone....11 days til the week of May 11th! R robg, yes, no one wants to wait another week, but what did Mr. Cronkite say when we were kids? "And that's the way it is."
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Post by noah on Apr 30, 2009 21:31:41 GMT -5
I believe that the analysis of robg is correct.
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Post by odarite on Apr 30, 2009 22:21:14 GMT -5
Whatever the merits of robg's analysis, and what the interviewers may have thought at the time, Kolekole is correct that the offers will go out the week of May 18, not a week earlier. Sorry. You will just have to wait the extra week.
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Post by lawmaker on Apr 30, 2009 22:31:19 GMT -5
Received today: "On an entirely different topic, AALJ has learned that the Agency is planning on sending out on 5/19/09 the notices to the new judges who are to be hired for the class starting on 7/6/09. A second class is to begin on 8/3. It is unclear if a 3rd class will start in September [making 3 classes of about 50+ judges versus 2 classes of about 75+ judges]. Presumably, the first group of judges would report to their assigned offices on 6/22, for a 2 week exposure to the office before beginning the formal training classes on 7/6, as was done with the classes hired in 2008. Presumably, the notices for the 2nd class will go out on about 6/23, with them reporting to their assigned office on 7/20." I may be over-lawyering this, but I am still trying to reconcile what my interviewer told me about the week of May 11th and the message above. Is it possible that phone calls with offers will go out the week of May 11th and those that accept will be mailed their packets on May 19th? Focused on the "...sending out on 5/19/2009 the notices..." language. Could be? Anything to shorten the wait at this point. I'll just pretend that May 11th is day, and that all offers come out at once. The alternative, more waiting, is too depressing. Hang in there everyone....11 days til the week of May 11th! R Maybe just meant that their questionnaire booklets were due by then
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