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Post by valkyrie on Apr 30, 2009 7:31:48 GMT -5
I was talking about the hiring process with an ALJ in my office the other day, and the the number of interviewees this time around came up as a question. He had heard through the grape vine that there were 400 interviewees, where I recalled that there were supposedly 300. So he says, why don't we just ask? He called OCALJ, got a hold of one of the managers in there, and she said that they did about 250 to 260 interviews, with about 150 the first week, and around 100 the second week, with many of the interview teams leaving early in the second week. Unfortunately the nice lady was mum on the offer date.
Based upon that info we would logically have about 200 hold-overs and 250 rookies.
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Post by privateatty on Apr 30, 2009 14:27:27 GMT -5
Yeah and how many of the 200 holdovers got a thumbs down either through the reference checks, "side-bars" or interview? That's an interesting number c'est pa?
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Post by tess on Apr 30, 2009 14:41:52 GMT -5
Yeah and how many of the 200 holdovers got a thumbs down either through the reference checks, "side-bars" or interview? That's an interesting number c'est pa? It'll probably be as interesting as the number of rookies who will get the thumbs down either through reference or background checks.
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Post by valkyrie on Apr 30, 2009 15:02:57 GMT -5
What was the total number of ALJ offers accepted last year between the two certs?
And who says that the none of the 200 holdovers just flat out lost in direct competition with the selectees? Remember, the current theory is that there is a formulated "ODAR score" for each candidate that is different from their OPM scores.
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Post by privateatty on Apr 30, 2009 15:42:26 GMT -5
What was the total number of ALJ offers accepted last year between the two certs? And who says that the none of the 200 holdovers just flat out lost in direct competition with the selectees? Remember, the current theory is that there is a formulated "ODAR score" for each candidate that is different from their OPM scores. That was posted some time ago--I can't remember. 190 something I thought. Like what they are doing in this year (not FY), 157 plus 40-50 something. And yeah, no one except the echelon at Puzzle Palace knows your ODAR score.
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Post by johnthornton on Apr 30, 2009 17:45:19 GMT -5
In the past (I was hired in 2005), you rarely were hired for the class that you interviewed for---if you were selected, it was usually for the NEXT class.
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Post by morgullord on May 1, 2009 11:55:03 GMT -5
No one who was on a cert last year got interviewed this time around.
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Post by counsel on May 1, 2009 19:09:40 GMT -5
Many people last time around were geographically limited. I suspect at least some of them may have expanded their availability.
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Post by jagghagg on May 3, 2009 20:27:22 GMT -5
What was the total number of ALJ offers accepted last year between the two certs? And who says that the none of the 200 holdovers just flat out lost in direct competition with the selectees? Remember, the current theory is that there is a formulated "ODAR score" for each candidate that is different from their OPM scores. 197 selectees in 2008. And it's not a "theory" - through the SSA's "structured interview," each of a specific # of areas is given one of three ratings and then the selecting official takes those ratings, looks at the background investigation, assigns an overall rating, and then makes a selection.
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Post by valkyrie on May 3, 2009 21:26:41 GMT -5
Thank you Jagghagg. So the math would go: 471 candidates for 157 positions, about 260 rookies and 210 holdovers. That is after 197 candidates with the highest SSA scores were taken from about 600 candidates last time around. That means we have roughly the middle third of SSA scores from last time around. This of course does not account for geographic variables, successes like Patriotsfan, and then blackballs for reasons ranging from hatdances at interviews, to rejecting offers.
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Post by okeydokey on May 3, 2009 22:04:20 GMT -5
Thank you Jagghagg. So the math would go: 471 candidates for 157 positions, about 260 rookies and 210 holdovers. That is after 197 candidates with the highest SSA scores were taken from about 600 candidates last time around. That means we have roughly the middle third of SSA scores from last time around. This of course does not account for geographic variables, successes like Patriotsfan, and then blackballs for reasons ranging from hatdances at interviews, to rejecting offers. I think the math is off a bit. My guess is not the top 2/3, but slightly more than the top half of both registers. And this sort of works out. There were 650 on the first test. I assume there were 750 after the second test. 1300 on the register. 220 of them are gone (197 to SSA 30 or so to other agencies), I assume. So the register now has 1100 names. 450 were on the cert. About 60%. Given the geographic fudge factor, assuming the numbers are correct, I can't see how they got below the 45th percentile. Of course, the math changes. If there are more on the register, the low percentile is higher than 45, if there are fewer on the register, the low percentile is lower than 45. Also, some people have dropped out. Death, retirement, illness, and misconduct take their toll.
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Post by statman on May 4, 2009 9:06:49 GMT -5
We know the cert went as low as 60.5 and perhaps lower. Our register poll shows the lower 45 percentile to be in the middle of the 67 scores. If the math above is correct, our register poll (and therefore our cert poll) of scores is biased upwards.
Also, I have previously pointed out that I believe only about 400 to 420 persons returned papers. Does anybody have a number on their reference contact above 400? Please let us know.
(All this of course is good news to those on the cert).
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Post by valkyrie on May 4, 2009 9:29:36 GMT -5
"I think the math is off a bit. My guess is not the top 2/3, but slightly more than the top half of both registers. And this sort of works out. There were 650 on the first test. I assume there were 750 after the second test. 1300 on the register. 220 of them are gone (197 to SSA 30 or so to other agencies), I assume. So the register now has 1100 names. 450 were on the cert. About 60%. Given the geographic fudge factor, assuming the numbers are correct, I can't see how they got below the 45th percentile."
My numbers are referring to candidates on the certs, not the register.
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Post by Legal Beagle on May 4, 2009 10:29:40 GMT -5
Second application period in July 2008 only had 600 applications, therefore there could not have been 750 taking the test - even if all 600 had made it past the first cut.
"This announcement is open from July 30, 2008 until either 11:59:59 p.m., Eastern Daylight Time, on the day on which the 600th completed application has been submitted or 11:59:59 p.m., Eastern Daylight Time, on August 13, 2008 -- whichever comes first."
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Post by sbr on May 4, 2009 10:49:32 GMT -5
It was my understanding, based on the way the job announcement read, that the application period closed at midnight on the day the 600th application was submitted. So, if the 600th application came in at 8am, and 150 more applications were filed from 8:01am to 11:59pm on that day, all 750 applications would be considered.
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Post by lawandorder on May 4, 2009 11:15:39 GMT -5
It was my understanding, based on the way the job announcement read, that the application period closed at midnight on the day the 600th application was submitted. So, if the 600th application came in at 8am, and 150 more applications were filed from 8:01am to 11:59pm on that day, all 750 applications would be considered. This is the way it was.
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Post by chieftain on May 4, 2009 11:18:31 GMT -5
It was my understanding, based on the way the job announcement read, that the application period closed at midnight on the day the 600th application was submitted. So, if the 600th application came in at 8am, and 150 more applications were filed from 8:01am to 11:59pm on that day, all 750 applications would be considered. True, but when the register opened in 2007, only about half the applicants made the first "cut" and were asked to take the WD and SI. I strongly suspect that there was a "cut" this time also. There are probably no more than 800 candidates on the register.
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Post by privateatty on May 4, 2009 11:32:02 GMT -5
It was my understanding, based on the way the job announcement read, that the application period closed at midnight on the day the 600th application was submitted. So, if the 600th application came in at 8am, and 150 more applications were filed from 8:01am to 11:59pm on that day, all 750 applications would be considered. True, but when the register opened in 2007, only about half the applicants made the first "cut" and were asked to take the WD and SI. I strongly suspect that there was a "cut" this time also. There are probably no more than 800 candidates on the register. Agreed. A 50% "cut factor" (from application accepted by OPM to being invited to take the WD and SI) has been historically used and accepted on this Board.
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Post by jam on Jun 3, 2009 6:32:51 GMT -5
Does anyone know of a "holdover" who has gotten an offer? I have seen on this Board the theory that if you were considered three times last year you did not have to be considered this year, even if on the cert. I am curious to know if anyone who got "passed over" last year made it this year.
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Post by jagghagg on Jun 3, 2009 6:57:03 GMT -5
Does anyone know of a "holdover" who has gotten an offer? I have seen on this Board the theory that if you were considered three times last year you did not have to be considered this year, even if on the cert. I am curious to know if anyone who got "passed over" last year made it this year. You might want to define "holdover." There are those who got 3 considerations on the first cert and then a big blackball, never to be considered again; those who got 3 considerations combined between the first and second cert as well as those who may have received 3 considerations on the second cert - and for those last two groups, we don't know if they were "three struck" this time around. Finally, we have those who had 1 or 2 considerations on the first two certs and showed up on this 3rd cert - we don't know if they got only 1 consideration or 13.
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