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Post by valkyrie on Jun 3, 2009 7:30:55 GMT -5
How do we know if we have been considered or blackballed?
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Post by jagghagg on Jun 3, 2009 7:56:52 GMT -5
How do we know if we have been considered or blackballed? ...Ask. Could be that one can use the infamous SSA "Nonselection Interview." But they will never actually SAY you have been blackballed; they will simply never consider you from any cert again. ... The one thing we have learned from current litigants is that this final selection process is weighted toward SSA insiders, and that your score is utterly meaningless to SSA. No comment on the legal validity of the process, just an observation of how SSA actually does it. Before anybody goes nuts about insider v. outsider again, the MSPB's Office of Special Counsel has just recently noted that "the process [] unfairly favor SSA candidates." Nonetheless, insider or outsider, right now, we are only looking to see that our colleagues here on the board got selected.
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Post by newalj on Jun 3, 2009 8:25:49 GMT -5
Valkyrie, I don't think you'll ever get a response to that question. Doubtful that they'll send you notification saying, "You've been blackballed." I think people just deduce it from anecdotal information that surfaces after the offers go out. Sorry. Gotta agree with PatriotsFan on this one....even though it PAINS me to do it. /r ColtsFan
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Post by privateatty on Jun 3, 2009 8:28:22 GMT -5
How do we know if we have been considered or blackballed? ...Ask. Could be that one can use the infamous SSA "Nonselection Interview." But they will never actually SAY you have been blackballed; they will simply never consider you from any cert again. ... The one thing we have learned from current litigants is that this final selection process is weighted toward SSA insiders, and that your score is utterly meaningless to SSA. No comment on the legal validity of the process, just an observation of how SSA actually does it. Before anybody goes nuts about insider v. outsider again, the MSPB's Office of Special Counsel has just recently noted that "the process [] unfairly favor SSA candidates." Nonetheless, insider or outsider, right now, we are only looking to see that our colleagues here on the board got selected. Do we have a cite? Or is this confidential?
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Post by jagghagg on Jun 3, 2009 8:31:20 GMT -5
Do we have a cite? Or is this confidential? I am assuming you are asking about the OSC letter - it was a sentence in a letter to a complainant.
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Post by valkyrie on Jun 3, 2009 8:50:31 GMT -5
"Valkyrie, I don't think you'll ever get a response to that question. Doubtful that they'll send you notification saying, "You've been blackballed." I think people just deduce it from anecdotal information that surfaces after the offers go out. Sorry."
I don't doubt that anecdotal info is all there is. Jagghagg's post this morning seemed to suggest a lot of detail, so I was curious if she found out some specifics. But I would feel a lot better if at least one holdover were to get an offer.
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Post by privateatty on Jun 3, 2009 8:59:45 GMT -5
Do we have a cite? Or is this confidential? I am assuming you are asking about the OSC letter - it was a sentence in a letter to a complainant. Thus discoverable--if you know what to ask for. Thank you.
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Post by newalj on Jun 3, 2009 9:00:37 GMT -5
I don't doubt that anecdotal info is all there is. Jagghagg's post this morning seemed to suggest a lot of detail, so I was curious if she found out some specifics. But I would feel a lot better if at least one holdover were to get an offer. I know it's maddening and I hope it works out for you. If I hear that a holdover got an offer, I'll be sure to post or pm you. Best of luck.
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Post by jagghagg on Jun 3, 2009 9:07:04 GMT -5
Me, too.
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Post by privateatty on Jun 3, 2009 9:09:44 GMT -5
Maybe we should start a holdover roster.
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Post by Orly on Jun 3, 2009 9:24:22 GMT -5
Maybe we should start a holdover roster. My feeble attempt at humor since I'm getting really depressed reading this thread. Hang in there!
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Post by leprechaun on Jun 3, 2009 9:36:06 GMT -5
I'm ready to break out the manischewitz!
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Post by Propmaster on Jun 3, 2009 9:39:07 GMT -5
I would not waste too much time on the math of the selections. The rank on the register now has absolutely nothing to do with your selection by SSA. If they want you, they will manipulate the process to reach you no matter how low your score was. Likewise, if they don't want you, they will manipulate the selection process to avoid you, or three strike you out of consideration. The one thing we have learned from current litigants is that this final selection process is weighted toward SSA insiders, and that your score is utterly meaningless to SSA. No comment on the legal validity of the process, just an observation of how SSA actually does it. Great googly-moogly! I selfishly hope this is true. And it can all be fixed...right after I'm plucked from the otherwise unfathomable depths.
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Post by Propmaster on Jun 3, 2009 9:41:44 GMT -5
I think we have to be clear about holdovers who were considered and people on the certs who had scores too low to be considered. I don't know how to do that, except to say that I am in the latter category, according to the letters I got.
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Post by jagghagg on Jun 3, 2009 10:12:23 GMT -5
I would not waste too much time on the math of the selections. The rank on the register now has absolutely nothing to do with your selection by SSA. If they want you, they will manipulate the process to reach you no matter how low your score was. Likewise, if they don't want you, they will manipulate the selection process to avoid you, or three strike you out of consideration. The one thing we have learned from current litigants is that this final selection process is weighted toward SSA insiders, and that your score is utterly meaningless to SSA. No comment on the legal validity of the process, just an observation of how SSA actually does it. Great googly-moogly! I selfishly hope this is true. And it can all be fixed...right after I'm plucked from the otherwise unfathomable depths. 'Tis true.________________________ Orly - LOL ;D ;D ;D
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Post by marciabrady1977 on Jun 3, 2009 10:21:49 GMT -5
Left over...hold over...whatever you want to call it! I applied in 2007, made the register, made the certs in 2008 and never received an offer. I'm on the March 2009 cert and have not received an offer. I listed ALL locations as my geographical preferences. I have great references just like everyone else. I've been with OHA/ODAR for years. My score was not at the top but at this point I wonder if score matters very much since we've all known high and low scoring folks who were offered positions or not offered positions. We stay on the register until October 2010 as I recall although I rarely think about the ALJ job...and I haven't read this forum very much since Monday. I watched a great movie on Monday evening and another last night and went to a neighborhood function and took my child to music lessons and lived my life...and I managed to write some decisions along the way. Hang in there, propmaster. You are NOT the bottom cog unless you want to be...certainly you have friends and family who consider you the top cog!!! Well, off to flat iron my hair and put on some groovy clothes.
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Post by leprechaun on Jun 3, 2009 10:23:19 GMT -5
Marciabrady, as someone who has spent most of the week sitting under the rainbow hitting the reset button, I admire your sanity!
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Post by marciabrady1977 on Jun 3, 2009 10:31:05 GMT -5
I'm a bit of a leprechaun myself! Aren't we supposed to dance and smile at all times??!! The natural course of life supplies us with enough drama so I don't go looking for it. I live in my sphere of peace and tranquility by choice and I tend to gravitate toward similar people and I attract them as well. Come on, leprechan, snap out of it!!! Put yourself on top of that rainbow where you belong! As the Brady kids sang a number of years ago...keep on keep on keep on dancin' all through the night...or similar such lyrics!
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Post by privateatty on Jun 3, 2009 10:46:31 GMT -5
Or as Oddball said in "Kelly's Heroes", '...Positive waves, man, positive waves!'
Marcia, you are not alone. There are more than a few of us (although some of us are private attorneys, unconnected to ODAR)...
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Post by jerseymom on Jun 3, 2009 11:02:41 GMT -5
I'm a hold-over or left-over too. My kids don't like left-overs, but I do ( & I hope SSA does too; after all, some food tastes better the secord or third time around.) I think this process is making me an emotional eater!! Jerseymom
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