Appeals, then and now.

[zero]

Comparing what happened last time to this round, in my opinion, will not create an accurate forecast. All the people at OPM who worked the last list are probably gone and they never intended to repeat that approach anyway.

I am beginning to believe those who have suggested OPM will not rule on any further appeals...EVER. Supposedly, there will be a new opportunity to apply in the spring. Some have suggested forgetting the undesirable result from the last round and moving on to a new application. Why not? Theoretically, we will all have one more year of experience to put on our resumes.

I personally think we will know who will be the Republican and Democratic nominees for president long before even the July-era appeals are resolved. Score appeals are waiting in line behind the July DQ appeals. And if the appeals languish beyond a second opportunity to apply, what the heck are we appealing?

[tricia]

Shadow, I am appealing after failing to put the date of my original licensure on the correct line. I can't believe that they will never get to those appeals.

[barkley]

zero said:

I am beginning to believe those who have suggested OPM will not rule on any further appeals...EVER. Supposedly, there will be a new opportunity to apply in the spring. Some have suggested forgetting the undesirable result from the last round and moving on to a new application. Why not?

I can think of a couple of reasons why not?
(1) It is inexcuseable that OPM can get away with ignoring the due process rights of a bunch of lawyers.
I understood that it might take them a while, with the focus on getting through the initial interviews and tests, but I never dreamed they would do a certificate prior to completing the appeals. It is just so fundamentally unfair.
(2) THIS is the best shot for actually getting hired. With the limited pool and the quick turn around time, the folks who made it this far in the process have much better odds of getting hired than those competing under future postings.
(3) IF one filed a legitimate, substantive appeal that was found to supported, it looks like the remedy will be to test/interview a successful appellant AFTER SSA does its first round of hiring. It is possible (with no opinion as to how probable), that a person currently waiting for his/her appeal to be evaluated could eventually acheive a higher score than some of those hired. Even if such an applicant gets selected on the second go-round, there will be an economic impact forever, considering one's federal retirement is based on the high three years of earnings.

Bottom line is that if OOM had no intention of considering the appeals, why grant appellate rights? And it unfair that stopping short of getting injunction to stop the progression of the current process, there is nothing that can be done that can actually help.

[roggenbier]

I think they will resolve the appeals, but it may take a while. My whole impression is that the process centered on producing a list so that the bureaucrats in charge could claim to Congress that they honored their promise. The cost is that alot of us who were on the list the first time, like me, and other equally or better qualified individuals won't have as much a chance. That's bad government.

[zero]

I would be willing to bet lunch at a decent restaurant or a small charitable contribution to a charity of your choice that appeals will not be acted on in a meaningful way. People who express faith that OPM is slowly but faithfully progressing towards a just end are a delightful breed of optimists I hope will always be around to bless us with vivid descriptions of imaginary sunshine lighting our world.

I remember hearing in the first week of September that the July appeals would be acted on in October. Ah yes, such beautiful sunshine streaming from atop OPM's citadel. Roggenbier's point that appeals will be meaningless if all the open jobs have been filled is irrefutable. What are they going to do? Cancel job offers? I don't think so. Unless somebody sues to force an earlier decision on appeals, the pent-up demand will be satisfied using this list.

I know, I know. Life isn't fair. I just wish OPM wouldn't bother with the charade of an appeal process. It's a cruel joke.

[zero]

Peejay-
To-may-to, To-mah-to. What's the difference between having your appeal granted and re-applying if the appeals are not ruled upon until after the list opens again? As far as I can tell, the appeals process is simply a way for OPM to bleed-off people who otherwise would mount more serious legal challenges by making them believe they will get a day in court on the appeal process.