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Post by learnedhand on Sept 6, 2007 11:29:00 GMT -5
There was some discussion of this on the veteran's preference thread but it applies more widely. The idea, apparently, is that if a name is submitted three times for consideration and is not selected, that name does not have to (but may be) submitted again. So who carries out the rule of 3? Is it OPM? Do those officials decide whose name can be submitted? Or is it the hiring agency that submits the names from the certificate to hearing offices/regional offices or wherever?
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Post by Pixie on Sept 6, 2007 17:00:42 GMT -5
Although there are a lot of "Rule of Threes" out there, the one referred to in government hiring means that the individuals with the top three scores on the "list" or the "register" provided to the hiring authority are eligible for consideration for the position being considered. That is, they are "reachable" candidates to be considered for the job.
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Post by learnedhand on Sept 6, 2007 18:20:32 GMT -5
So who carries out the rule of 3? Is it OPM? Do those officials decide whose name can be submitted? Or is it the hiring agency that submits the names from the certificate to hearing offices/regional offices or wherever?
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Post by workdrone on Sept 6, 2007 19:38:57 GMT -5
Or is it the hiring agency that submits the names from the certificate to hearing offices/regional offices or wherever? Traditionally, OPM provides a certificate with a list of eligibles ranked by score. Size of the certificate is usually 3:1 ratio to the number of anticipated hires. The hiring agency is the one that applies the rule of three, in SSA's case it would be SSA-ODAR, and ALJ hiring is decided ultimately on the HQ level, not the local/regional offices (who may have input). Drone |
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Post by shadow on Sept 6, 2007 20:42:41 GMT -5
As far as I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong, at this point we have no idea how much weight is assigned the three parts of the examination process. With all the secrecy in the process so far, I wonder [out loud here]whether we will even be told how we scored on the three examination parts, what our final "score" is and how it was arrived at, or where we rank vis-a-vis the other applicants?  Would any of the old timers and/or insiders like to speculate how this will all pan out? BTW, I love this new board - thanks for starting it. |
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Post by learnedhand on Sept 6, 2007 20:58:51 GMT -5
Shadow, you might want to make this a new thread. Otherwise you may not get a good discussion because people will mix it up with the traditional final selection process.
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Post by chris on Sept 6, 2007 21:23:23 GMT -5
As far as I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong, at this point we have no idea how much weight is assigned the three parts of the examination process. With all the secrecy in the process so far, I wonder [out loud here]whether we will even be told how we scored on the three examination parts, what our final "score" is and how it was arrived at, or where we rank vis-a-vis the other applicants? ??? Would any of the old timers and/or insiders like to speculate how this will all pan out? BTW, I love this new board - thanks for starting it. I believe one person on the old board claimed that they had been informed that the application accounted for 60%, the WD for 15 and the SI for 25%, or something very close to that. Of course we have no idea if they were telling the truth and I'm not sure my memory is accurate either. I do think many people believe that the initial application counts for somewhere in the 50-60% range. |
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Post by kinyago on Sept 7, 2007 6:30:30 GMT -5
So the application we all spent a few frenzied hours completed before the posting closed counts for 60%? Yeah, that makes sense.
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Post by ALJD on Sept 7, 2007 9:25:08 GMT -5
Yes, this should have been started under a new thread, but I could never figure out how to do it on my own board where I have full admin powers. So I won't be able to move it; maybe Drone can do so. I tried last night, but Proboard's design does not have the split thread function some of the other board packages do (I done this before on a board I was moderating for a while, but it is a hosted board with its own software package, not free web based board. So after looking for that "split thread" option for a couple minutes, I realized I couldn't do it here.)  So my only advice is hit "modify" option on your post (upper right corner of the post), cut and paste it to the new thread Shadow started, and delete the old post in this thread once you copied it to the new thread. I could do that, but then I become the poster, which would look funny. So I'll have to leave to the original posters to transfer their posts. Thanks! |
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Post by anotheroldtimer on Sept 7, 2007 15:25:31 GMT -5
There is some flexibility in the Rule of Three. For instance, if you have a score of 105 (possible with vet preference) you could be in the top three in more than one city.
Say you have a person the agency wants to reach. The person is third on the list and the top two are veterans and are on more than one city. You offer the veterans other cities and then you can reach No. 3.
In fact, several years ago, one office got 5 new judges at the same time. Wonder why?
And a note to another poster, you have to come in at the bottom of the salary unless you are a federal employee. If so, you can obtain the level consistent with your current salary.
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