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Post by grandparay1 on Jul 24, 2013 17:07:13 GMT -5
Thanks for the info, philliesfan.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 17:12:19 GMT -5
Interview scheduled. 2nd week of August. Good Luck Patiently! I have the second week in August also. Good luck to all!
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Post by agilitymom on Jul 25, 2013 12:01:51 GMT -5
Yeah...forward movement!
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Post by josephk on Jul 25, 2013 14:11:31 GMT -5
I was on the last cert and I'm on the current one. If you were interviewed for the last cert will you be interviewed again for this one?
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Post by grandparay1 on Jul 25, 2013 14:17:36 GMT -5
Jowephk, you will only have one interview per agency during the existence of a register. I heard only 25 people on the current cert had not been interviewed yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2013 15:09:28 GMT -5
Jowephk, you will only have one interview per agency during the existence of a register. I heard only 25 people on the current cert had not been interviewed yet. How do you get three struck on the register if you only get one interview? Perhaps I do not understand the three strike rule. So if you make a cert and are not selected because of the one in three rule then that is it for the life of the register? Wow, this ALJ gig is really no kidding a lottery even if you make the register.
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Post by grandparay1 on Jul 25, 2013 15:22:10 GMT -5
exjag, you have to actually be considered for three different slots. This can even happen in one cert. However, I have been included in several (at least 6) certs since 2007, and I have not been three struck yet. This is because, 1) I have had a very limited GAL, and 2) on several occasions the slots that I would have been considered for were actually filled by transfers. I am not included in the current cert (not my GAL), and the most recent cert that I was on, the slot was filled by a transfer. In October I did widen my GAL, but not enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2013 17:34:34 GMT -5
Thanks grandparay1, I might be going to DC for practice then. I have a somewhat limited GAL too, I did not list that any of the locations in the small towns--not moving my wife there, she has followed me around for too liong and gave up her career to stay home. Where you interviewed? Had I put many locations down and made a cert with at least three locations I could conceivably then be done if not selected. Hard to swallow the reality. I am now glad I am doing the DC trip on the cheap--way too many hurdles to get over in this marathon.
Would it be possible for me to re-apply when they refresh the register and get a fresh start (if I pass all the tests) as far as the one in three rule? Or what if I want to expand my GAL?
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Post by grandparay1 on Jul 25, 2013 17:41:51 GMT -5
I was interviewed for the first cert by SSA after the register was created in 2007. If OPM decides to refresh this register, you can re-test if you want to improve your score, or at the same time you can expand your GAL. The three strikes rule can be applied by the hiring agency at their discretion, but re-applying on the existing register does not change your three strikes status. The "rule of three" is what the hiring agencies have used over the years to select/de-select candidates (that rule may be changing).
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Post by agilitymom on Jul 26, 2013 18:45:36 GMT -5
Any idea as to which offices actually need fills?
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Post by agilitymom on Jul 29, 2013 9:12:00 GMT -5
Are interviews scheduled for the week of 8-12 August or 15-19 August? Thanks!!!
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Post by agilitymom on Jul 29, 2013 10:17:10 GMT -5
Thanks!
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Post by privateatty on Jul 29, 2013 19:50:54 GMT -5
Thanks grandparay1, I might be going to DC for practice then. I have a somewhat limited GAL too, I did not list that any of the locations in the small towns--not moving my wife there, she has followed me around for too liong and gave up her career to stay home. Where you interviewed? Had I put many locations down and made a cert with at least three locations I could conceivably then be done if not selected. Hard to swallow the reality. I am now glad I am doing the DC trip on the cheap--way too many hurdles to get over in this marathon. Would it be possible for me to re-apply when they refresh the register and get a fresh start (if I pass all the tests) as far as the one in three rule? Or what if I want to expand my GAL? You can only re-apply when OPM opens up the whole process again. If you pass all the hurdles and get an NOR you will be on that/this Register. As to expanding your GAL, this, like the other answer, has been the subject of numerous posts. The short answer is that if you are on a SSA Cert you will be notified and allowed to make another choice as to open positions (please note that this list is a moving target). Then if you are lucky you will get an offer for a city. Decline and you go somewhere (I'm not sure) unless you are of the chosen few. If you get a high score some other Agency may take a liking to you. BTW, I learned all of this here. If there are too many hurdles, well, then there are.
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Post by 71stretch on Jul 29, 2013 22:31:31 GMT -5
exjag-
Just being on a cert that includes three of your cities does not necessarily mean that you have been "three struck" if you are not selected. You have to have received "bona fide consideration" for a particular vacancy. In a large cert, a lot of people can be just "filler" and are not actually considered. Lots of threads on that issue here.
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Post by Gaidin on Jul 30, 2013 10:11:04 GMT -5
exjag- Just being on a cert that includes three of your cities does not necessarily mean that you have been "three struck" if you are not selected. You have to have received "bona fide consideration" for a particular vacancy. In a large cert, a lot of people can be just "filler" and are not actually considered. Lots of threads on that issue here. I have reviewed the posts that show up when you search for "bona fide consideration" and I think I understand the ins and outs except for one thing. Observer53 wrote in another thread: If you are actually among the top three scores for any city on a given cert, and thereby given consideration for appointment, and are not given an offer, that's a strike.
So if a city on a cert has 1 opening SAA will request the top 3 names and the individuals not selected will each have a strike? But if a city has 2 openings SAA requests the top 6 and only the top candidate not selected gets a strike? Also it appears that the agency can chose not to strike a candidate?
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Post by moopigsdad on Jul 30, 2013 10:14:41 GMT -5
exjag- Just being on a cert that includes three of your cities does not necessarily mean that you have been "three struck" if you are not selected. You have to have received "bona fide consideration" for a particular vacancy. In a large cert, a lot of people can be just "filler" and are not actually considered. Lots of threads on that issue here. I have reviewed the posts that show up when you search for "bona fide consideration" and I think I understand the ins and outs except for one thing. Observer53 wrote in another thread: If you are actually among the top three scores for any city on a given cert, and thereby given consideration for appointment, and are not given an offer, that's a strike.
So if a city on a cert has 1 opening SAA will request the top 3 names and the individuals not selected will each have a strike? But if a city has 2 openings SAA requests the top 6 and only the top candidate not selected gets a strike? Also it appears that the agency can chose not to strike a candidate?
All these rules seem very convoluted and possibly punitive, but I guess it allows the agency to acquire the individuals it wants to hire.
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Post by 71stretch on Jul 30, 2013 10:32:15 GMT -5
The cert lists and GALs being what they are, it's rarely so cut and dried that they look at the top 3 for only city X and, if they don't pick any of them, that's a strike for each. The mysteries of how they juggle things and which people get passed over, which ones get struck, and which ones get picked will just make your head hurt.
It's true that they can choose to "not strike", it's also true that being three struck by an agency does not mean a "forever never" situation. The agency can choose to take another look at those that have been "three struck", and choose to hire from among those.
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Post by Gaidin on Jul 30, 2013 10:34:38 GMT -5
The cert lists and GALs being what they are, it's rarely so cut and dried that they look at the top 3 for only city X and, if they don't pick any of them, that's a strike for each. The mysteries of how they juggle things and which people get passed over, which ones get struck, and which ones get picked will just make your head hurt. It's true that they can choose to "not strike", it's also true that being three struck by an agency does not mean a "forever never" situation. The agency can choose to take another look at those that have been "three struck", and choose to hire from among those. So do they tell you that you are three struck or do you just hang in limbo wondering?
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Post by 71stretch on Jul 30, 2013 11:39:51 GMT -5
The cert lists and GALs being what they are, it's rarely so cut and dried that they look at the top 3 for only city X and, if they don't pick any of them, that's a strike for each. The mysteries of how they juggle things and which people get passed over, which ones get struck, and which ones get picked will just make your head hurt. It's true that they can choose to "not strike", it's also true that being three struck by an agency does not mean a "forever never" situation. The agency can choose to take another look at those that have been "three struck", and choose to hire from among those. So do they tell you that you are three struck or do you just hang in limbo wondering? They do not tell you automatically, although people have asked and been told. For the last few certs off the current register,. ODAR gave OPM their three strike list and asked them not to include any of those names on the cert. So, virtually all those who have been three struck on this register know their status.
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Post by privateatty on Jul 30, 2013 16:46:23 GMT -5
Please folks, don't get too far ahead of yourselves.
Alot of folks are going to get hurt. Badly. Many have already been hurt and left here after a few months of high anxiety. You are all high achievers, smart and pretty savvy and once you get an NOR, OPM says that you have passed the test! You are ALJ worthy!
Sadly not so many will don the Robe. I don't want to offer percentages, but its brutal. And you just hang on the Register. I have a friend and many past acquaintances here who will never look at this Board again. So please, don't get your hopes too high. It happened to me (getting hurt) but I had a happy ending--in large part due to what I learned from my friends who were here and have left.
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