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Post by cougarfan on Jun 19, 2014 8:21:51 GMT -5
I don't know whether this has been posted previously, I haven't searched.
I believe there will be two training sessions as follows.
Session 1 begins 9/15/14 Session 2 begins 10/13/14
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Post by sealaw90 on Jun 19, 2014 9:03:59 GMT -5
Thanks Cougar, it was previously posted in another thread but got lost in the middle of the thread. The BIG question is whether the training schedule for the 1st quarter of FY15 has been posted yet...
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Post by Pixie on Jun 19, 2014 13:18:40 GMT -5
I have heard the first class will start in August. If that is true, then offers should be going out in a week or so. Other classes set for September, October and November. I can't vouch for the accuracy of the August class being the first, however.
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Post by cubbietax on Jun 19, 2014 13:26:12 GMT -5
I have heard the first class will start in August. If that is true, then offers should be going out in a week or so. Other classes set for September, October and November. I can't vouch for the accuracy of the August class being the first, however. Actual training in August, as opposed to reporting to initial duty station in August, would be a complete change from everything reported here. That would be something.
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Post by orchid on Jun 19, 2014 13:29:03 GMT -5
I have heard the first class will start in August. If that is true, then offers should be going out in a week or so. Other classes set for September, October and November. I can't vouch for the accuracy of the August class being the first, however. Thanks Pixie. Does this mean we can expect a second cert soon?
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Post by JudgeRatty on Jun 19, 2014 14:52:10 GMT -5
Current ALJs are attending training the last week in August. I think this is being confused with new ALJ training for Sept/Oct.
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Post by jmgjr on Jun 19, 2014 15:58:54 GMT -5
It's only 1 day different, but isn't 10.13 a federal holiday?
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Post by alj on Jun 19, 2014 17:16:53 GMT -5
Current ALJs are attending training the last week in August. I think this is being confused with new ALJ training for Sept/Oct. I also heard four classes this calendar year, with the first starting in August. Training isn't normally done in December, so in order to get them in this year, they would have to start in August. I can't say this is gospel or that plans won't change. If August is the first class, offers should be coming out soon. With the refresher ALJ training in August, there does seem to be a conflict, although maybe the new judge training would take place after the refresher training was finished. I can't remember the dates for the refresher training. Hdqs. is concerned about the delay by OPM in getting the new register to them, and they want to move quickly to add judges and get them to start hearing cases. During the pendency of the delay, the agency has lost quite a few judges to retirement--probably close to 200. They want to bring the corps up to full strength and then some.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Jun 19, 2014 17:46:09 GMT -5
Current ALJs are attending training the last week in August. I think this is being confused with new ALJ training for Sept/Oct. I also heard four classes this calendar year, with the first starting in August. Training isn't normally done in December, so in order to get them in this year, they would have to start in August. I can't say this is gospel or that plans won't change. If August is the first class, offers should be coming out soon. With the refresher ALJ training in August, there does seem to be a conflict, although maybe the new judge training would take place after the refresher training was finished. I can't remember the dates for the refresher training. Hdqs. is concerned about the delay by OPM in getting the new register to them, and they want to move quickly to add judges and get them to start hearing cases. During the pendency of the delay, the agency has lost quite a few judges to retirement--probably close to 200. They want to bring the corps up to full strength and then some. The current ALJ refresher training is the last week of Aug 25-29.
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Post by crab on Jun 19, 2014 19:28:51 GMT -5
It's only 1 day different, but isn't 10.13 a federal holiday? Yes, 10/13 is Columbus Day, a paid holiday for the federal government. With regard to a new ALJ training class starting in August, as great news as that would be, it would run contrary to the notification folks received on these certs that new ALJs would report to their duty stations in late August and September for orientation, with training to follow.
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Post by cougarfan on Jun 19, 2014 20:10:16 GMT -5
It's only 1 day different, but isn't 10.13 a federal holiday? Yes it is a federal holiday; but it is listed as the first date of the second session; I assume it will actually begin 10/14.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Jun 20, 2014 7:19:50 GMT -5
It's only 1 day different, but isn't 10.13 a federal holiday? Since I'll probably drive to training, that would actually work better for me as a start than mid-September. However, I would have to juggle things to get back for a wedding in November.
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Post by hopefalj on Jun 20, 2014 7:33:09 GMT -5
It's only 1 day different, but isn't 10.13 a federal holiday? Since I'll probably drive to training, that would actually work better for me as a start than mid-September. However, I would have to juggle things to get back for a wedding in November. My uneducated guess is that you will be in the first group of trainees due to insider status. And if you get assigned to Eugene, Fresno, or Vegas, I'll be interested in hearing about your drive to training.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Jun 20, 2014 7:42:32 GMT -5
Since I'll probably drive to training, that would actually work better for me as a start than mid-September. However, I would have to juggle things to get back for a wedding in November. My uneducated guess is that you will be in the first group of trainees due to insider status. And if you get assigned to Eugene, Fresno, or Vegas, I'll be interested in hearing about your drive to training. Good point, Hopeful - I'm making assumptions about assignment - and certainly a road trip from Vegas to Falls Church might be more interesting than Richmond, for example.
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Post by funkyodar on Jun 20, 2014 8:24:32 GMT -5
In a quest to find the calendar on the training website (that proved fruitless) referenced by peterprinciple and others, I did note something of interest.
In reference to the training facilities available at FC, the site says their are 3 rooms. 2 of them only hold 40 people each. The 3rd can accomodate up to 75 per the site.
So, how did we come to the conclusion in the past that they couldnt train more than 50 or 60 at any one time? And that led us to believe these 2 classes (Sept and Oct) would be entirely for the first 90 and split evenly to 45 each....
Now with the news that they want to hire 200 by the end of the calendar year....maybe we are wrong? Not saying they will, but couldnt they do something like this:
extend offers to all 90 of the first certers in July. Have 75 of the 90 train in the Sept class, holding the 15 with the best excuse for why they need more time to close private practices, move, etc for October.
Meanwhile, in July, just after offers to the first certers, begin the second cert process. Offers to them in Sept and the first 60 of them join the 15 stragglers from cert 1 in the Oct training class. Then a third class for the last 50 in November.
Not saying it will happen, but maybe?
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Post by funkyodar on Jun 20, 2014 8:57:00 GMT -5
excellent point GIG. I hadnt considered the tech space requirements.
But if the 75 person room in reality only seats 37 with tech space, how can they do 45?
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Post by sandiferhands (old) on Jun 20, 2014 10:05:35 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just a naive outsider, but I can't see how they would let training space be the bottleneck that would slow this entire process. It just seems too easy to set up some alternative temporary space for that, and the need for getting the corps up to speed is too urgent based on the numbers (and recent retirements) that have been posted here.
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Post by futuressaalj on Jun 20, 2014 10:10:03 GMT -5
excellent point GIG. I hadnt considered the tech space requirements. But if the 75 person room in reality only seats 37 with tech space, how can they do 45? Funky, I am sure they will wheel in some card tables or make folks share if that is the number they want in the room.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Jun 20, 2014 10:27:29 GMT -5
I thought we had a quasi-insider report that the training space had been reconfigured and to now expect no more than 45 at a time. We have all been basing our projections on that - and when we saw they were hiring 90 new hires, and ultimately 2 training sessions, I think most of us, understandably, took that as confirmation - but, it could have been confirmation bias.
A. There are other things going at ODAR other than ALJ training, and
2. I guess we'll know when we know.
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Post by hopefalj on Jun 20, 2014 10:45:53 GMT -5
In a quest to find the calendar on the training website (that proved fruitless) referenced by peterprinciple and others, I did note something of interest. In reference to the training facilities available at FC, the site says their are 3 rooms. 2 of them only hold 40 people each. The 3rd can accomodate up to 75 per the site. So, how did we come to the conclusion in the past that they couldnt train more than 50 or 60 at any one time? And that led us to believe these 2 classes (Sept and Oct) would be entirely for the first 90 and split evenly to 45 each.... Now with the news that they want to hire 200 by the end of the calendar year....maybe we are wrong? Not saying they will, but couldnt they do something like this: extend offers to all 90 of the first certers in July. Have 75 of the 90 train in the Sept class, holding the 15 with the best excuse for why they need more time to close private practices, move, etc for October. Meanwhile, in July, just after offers to the first certers, begin the second cert process. Offers to them in Sept and the first 60 of them join the 15 stragglers from cert 1 in the Oct training class. Then a third class for the last 50 in November. Not saying it will happen, but maybe? They have a video flyby of the training rooms. I don't see any monitors OT table arrangements that would allow for the training of 75 ALJs at once, unless training only involves sitting there and listening to 27 modules over four weeks without the use of computers. Then again, perhaps you can just tell us when you get there in August.
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