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Post by rogo49 on Jun 10, 2016 8:10:52 GMT -5
So basically, they are either done calling until August, or they are not......?
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Post by Pixie on Jun 10, 2016 8:17:04 GMT -5
Meanwhile, back at the ranch: Forty One reported having NORs 73 and above on this cert. Forty hires reported as of late 6/9/16. Need to subtract three from the number due to the hires reported for scores of 68 and below. Is it possible they are, instead of picking and choosing, just entirely clearing the register- bases on the metric above, can that be the case? And i dont mean this as a slight to my higher scoring brethren-just seems like before odar was criticized for restricting itself when the argument can be made that if you are on the register- you are qualified. There is a big difference between being "qualified" and fitting in with the ODAR culture, which very much includes being a productive judge. The OPM scores have absolutely nothing to do with this, nor are the scores predictive of culture fit or productivity. ODAR has been burned on multiple occasions. It has to be selective in who it hires. Pixie.
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Post by funkyodar on Jun 10, 2016 8:19:04 GMT -5
As to the conference call...I wasn't on it and it sounds like the info was confusing in the way it was laid out and the way its been interpreted. My sources that know a lot more about it then I do say what they are hearing was meant by the "107" and "working on another class" comment is:
They have selected 107 to be hired "this time" with "this time" meaning for classes in June and July. They had not, at the time of the call and I presume even now, actually extended all those offers to every one of the 107 but were in the midst of doing so.
The "working on the next class" comment referred to them getting ready to do a September hire. They are working the transfer list, identifying space and getting their cert requests ready to send to OPM. Once the last of June and July are in place, expect a pretty quick turn around for the new September certs.
From my understanding, they still want to do a total of 225 to 250 this fiscal. If you take the January hire, add it to the 107, it should leave around 70 to 80 (cant remember the total earlier hire) to get to 225. The plan I have always heard discussed was 50 to 60 in each of June and July then a double class in September. So 70 to 80 makes sense. It's easier to get trainers for October classes than summer classes. Vacations are usually out of the way. It's a great time to be in DC. And the fiscal year with all its crunches are over.
How these reports of odd start dates fit in, I dunno. But, I highly doubt they have changed plans to have more than one class in June, one in July and a double size in September.
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Post by willsdad on Jun 10, 2016 8:22:57 GMT -5
Got the call earlier today, and voted in the polls. This is a very happy day for us, and I sincerely hope you will get called soon. This board has been a tremendous resource, and your contributions are appreciated! Thank you so very much to Propmaster, Pixie, Gaiden, Gary, ... too many names to list. Congratulations, UWJ! It's so good to have another hire to celebrate! Enjoy!
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Post by Pixie on Jun 10, 2016 8:31:34 GMT -5
I'm a little confused as to why this is all speculation. Do not board members that have been hired have both a start date and a FC training date? If the 11 July start date was reported to a board member, are they not able to say what their training dates are? Seems to me that y'all should ask the board members that have been hired what their start and training dates are. If they all report consistent dates that are not 11 July, then it appears very likely that the reported 11 July date is an abnormal accommodation for one or two persons. Sorry if this is an ignorant post. I'm trying not to post in this thread since this is way beyond where I'm at and I'm just trying to read to learn for the future. I have sent a PM to the member who reported the July 11 start date, quoting your questions above. In order to preserve anonymity I encourage private confirmation of the locations accepted and other potentially identifying information. That is why the membership at large can't ask questions of the member who accepted this offer. I am the only one who knows his identity. You have potential Bayou. So far you are at the head of your newbie class. Keep up the good work and follow the lead of the experienced members here. They have all been through it before. Soon your newbie class members will be looking to you for leadership and guidance to keep them from posting stupid. Pixie.
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Post by Erik Breukink on Jun 10, 2016 8:33:10 GMT -5
Is it possible they are, instead of picking and choosing, just entirely clearing the register- bases on the metric above, can that be the case? And i dont mean this as a slight to my higher scoring brethren-just seems like before odar was criticized for restricting itself when the argument can be made that if you are on the register- you are qualified. There is a big difference between being "qualified" and fitting in with the ODAR culture, which very much includes being a productive judge. The OPM scores have absolutely nothing to do with this, nor are the scores predictive of culture fit or productivity. ODAR has been burned on multiple occasions. It has to be selective in who it hires. Pixie. Pix, i understand that's been the case, but was just speculating maybe getting called before Congress maybe made them loosen their own criteria.
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Post by willsdad on Jun 10, 2016 8:36:19 GMT -5
As to the conference call...I wasn't on it and it sounds like the info was confusing in the way it was laid out and the way its been interpreted. My sources that know a lot more about it then I do say what they are hearing was meant by the "107" and "working on another class" comment is: They have selected 107 to be hired "this time" with "this time" meaning for classes in June and July. They had not, at the time of the call and I presume even now, actually extended all those offers to every one of the 107 but were in the midst of doing so. The "working on the next class" comment referred to them getting ready to do a September hire. They are working the transfer list, identifying space and getting their cert requests ready to send to OPM. Once the last of June and July are in place, expect a pretty quick turn around for the new September certs. From my understanding, they still want to do a total of 225 to 250 this fiscal. If you take the January hire, add it to the 107, it should leave around 70 to 80 (cant remember the total earlier hire) to get to 225. The plan I have always heard discussed was 50 to 60 in each of June and July then a double class in September. So 70 to 80 makes sense. It's easier to get trainers for October classes than summer classes. Vacations are usually out of the way. It's a great time to be in DC. And the fiscal year with all its crunches are over. How these reports of odd start dates fit in, I dunno. But, I highly doubt they have changed plans to have more than one class in June, one in July and a double size in September. Thanks for the clarification, funky. That's the way I've interpreted the 107 and "working on another class" info. The reports of a July 11 start date for some of those getting a deferral just throws me off. Hey, if it stumps gary, then I don't mind being stumped too. In the end, all that really matters is getting the call. We'll show up whenever ODAR wants us to. Also, we'll get an answer to all this when July rolls around.
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Post by Pixie on Jun 10, 2016 8:40:03 GMT -5
There is a big difference between being "qualified" and fitting in with the ODAR culture, which very much includes being a productive judge. The OPM scores have absolutely nothing to do with this, nor are the scores predictive of culture fit or productivity. ODAR has been burned on multiple occasions. It has to be selective in who it hires. Pixie. Pix, i understand that's been the case, but was just speculating maybe getting called before Congress maybe made them loosen their own criteria. Perhaps, but they still have to be extremely careful, and they have the absolute right to hire whom they want, within the rules of course. In my course with the agency, I have seen some spectacular failures. And many of them never realized it. Pixie.
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Post by Pixie on Jun 10, 2016 8:46:23 GMT -5
OK, here is the clarification I received from our member who accepted the July 10 start date. I have edited the response a bit for privacy.
"First, I should call and confirm my dates. I was in a crowd of people for the call, and I'm somewhat worried because it was hard to hear. I intend to call back today or Monday and confirm.
Second, my impression was not that my training date was being changed, just that my start at ODAR was moved back into July at my request. I am an outsider with experience in this area, and I don't need to relocate for this ODAR. I can only speculate as to whether those or any other factors were involved in them being so willing to adjust my start.
But, I will call to confirm, and then share."
So, it looks as though he has the standard reporting date for the class, but won't spend as much time on the front end in the office. Pixie.
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Post by luna on Jun 10, 2016 8:50:34 GMT -5
OK, here is the clarification I received from our member who accepted the July 10 start date. I have edited the response a bit for privacy. "First, I should call and confirm my dates. I was in a crowd of people for the call, and I'm somewhat worried because it was hard to hear. I intend to call back today or Monday and confirm. Second, my impression was not that my training date was being changed, just that my start at ODAR was moved back into July at my request. I am an outsider with experience in this area, and I don't need to relocate for this ODAR. I can only speculate as to whether those or any other factors were involved in them being so willing to adjust my start. But, I will call to confirm, and then share." So, it looks as though he has the standard reporting date for the class, but won't spend as much time on the front end in the office. Pixie. Very helpful for the hopeful. Thank you!
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Post by mentor67 on Jun 10, 2016 9:03:17 GMT -5
Great question Rogo49! Great minds think alike That is exactly what I would like to know - are we done for the day, the week or a longer?? OR are they going to be making a few more calls today? I guess we will see. I also wanted to say congratulations to all of the new ALJs! I have been in this process for over 3 years now and I only discovered the board awhile back. I wonder how many open spots that are actually left now (considering some people may not even be aware of the board and therefore not reporting their acceptances)? I usually don't post - I just read everything. I have to echo everyone's comments about how great this board really is - Pixie and everyone does a great job!
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Post by burwell on Jun 10, 2016 9:08:07 GMT -5
I'm a little confused as to why this is all speculation. Do not board members that have been hired have both a start date and a FC training date? If the 11 July start date was reported to a board member, are they not able to say what their training dates are? Seems to me that y'all should ask the board members that have been hired what their start and training dates are. If they all report consistent dates that are not 11 July, then it appears very likely that the reported 11 July date is an abnormal accommodation for one or two persons. Sorry if this is an ignorant post. I'm trying not to post in this thread since this is way beyond where I'm at and I'm just trying to read to learn for the future. This is a very constructive contribution to the discussion. And don't be concerned about joining in the discussion just because you don't have a horse in this particular race. When you have constructive comments like this your participation is very welcome. Agreed. Maybe Pixie could ask that anonymous board member when they are starting FC training? EDITED TO ADD: As I read on..I see the answer before me! Good work Pixie!
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Post by burwell on Jun 10, 2016 9:17:19 GMT -5
As to the conference call...I wasn't on it and it sounds like the info was confusing in the way it was laid out and the way its been interpreted. My sources that know a lot more about it then I do say what they are hearing was meant by the "107" and "working on another class" comment is: They have selected 107 to be hired "this time" with "this time" meaning for classes in June and July. They had not, at the time of the call and I presume even now, actually extended all those offers to every one of the 107 but were in the midst of doing so. The "working on the next class" comment referred to them getting ready to do a September hire. They are working the transfer list, identifying space and getting their cert requests ready to send to OPM. Once the last of June and July are in place, expect a pretty quick turn around for the new September certs. From my understanding, they still want to do a total of 225 to 250 this fiscal. If you take the January hire, add it to the 107, it should leave around 70 to 80 (cant remember the total earlier hire) to get to 225. The plan I have always heard discussed was 50 to 60 in each of June and July then a double class in September. So 70 to 80 makes sense. It's easier to get trainers for October classes than summer classes. Vacations are usually out of the way. It's a great time to be in DC. And the fiscal year with all its crunches are over. How these reports of odd start dates fit in, I dunno. But, I highly doubt they have changed plans to have more than one class in June, one in July and a double size in September. I interpreted the information from the call exactly as you describe it. How that fits into a July 10 start date is indeed the question. Perhaps the date is simply a rare accommodation, after all, and the person(s) will be rushed to training after only a week in-office, or be allowed to stay in-office extra-long before joining the August training class. Seems logical. Probably everything is just business as usual. (Stares at phone).
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Post by minny on Jun 10, 2016 9:23:25 GMT -5
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Post by burwell on Jun 10, 2016 9:24:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I had already edited my post accordingly. haha
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Post by rogo49 on Jun 10, 2016 9:27:51 GMT -5
Seems like crickets again this morning....I must find a different board to keep looking at.....maybe I will start following politics on twitter
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Post by gary on Jun 10, 2016 9:29:29 GMT -5
Meanwhile, back at the ranch: Forty One reported having NORs 73 and above on this cert. Forty hires reported as of late 6/9/16. Need to subtract three from the number due to the hires reported for scores of 68 and below. Is it possible they are, instead of picking and choosing, just entirely clearing the register- bases on the metric above, can that be the case? And i dont mean this as a slight to my higher scoring brethren-just seems like before odar was criticized for restricting itself when the argument can be made that if you are on the register- you are qualified. It is not. Even if they've become significantly less picky, they are not going to hire everyone.
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Post by sealaw90 on Jun 10, 2016 10:00:37 GMT -5
Great question Rogo49! Great minds think alike That is exactly what I would like to know - are we done for the day, the week or a longer?? OR are they going to be making a few more calls today? I guess we will see. I also wanted to say congratulations to all of the new ALJs! I have been in this process for over 3 years now and I only discovered the board awhile back. I wonder how many open spots that are actually left now (considering some people may not even be aware of the board and therefore not reporting their acceptances)? I usually don't post - I just read everything. I have to echo everyone's comments about how great this board really is - Pixie and everyone does a great job! Welcome mentor67, it appears you've been with the rest of us all along, but I'm not sure whether you made the current cert or not.
Nevertheless, according to the polls, we've had approximately 45 offers extended by ODAR to board members/lurkers, 42 have accepted, 2 have declined. Of the 42, it appears that 6 or 7 selectees have deferred their June start date to July - a few to July 10th, the rest to July 24th.
I believe more calls will go out and we will hear about some of them because the board participation is fairly high right now and I don't think all 107 selectees have been contacted. I have no idea if today will be the last day for calls or we'll have some more calls next week.
See how I went from 'hard data' to 'rank speculation'? Isn't this fun!
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Post by mentor67 on Jun 10, 2016 10:12:58 GMT -5
Sealaw90 thanks for the welcome! I have been voting in the polls (& I am on this cert - for what it's worth ) and I am hoping for a call - but you know how it goes... My 3 years of waiting puts me in the novice category with some (although I don't know how some of the long time board members can put up with all this waiting). It's a little stressful to say the least Decided to stop lurking and start posting (even if it's just every once in a great while).
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Post by sealaw90 on Jun 10, 2016 10:30:32 GMT -5
Glad to hear you're on this cert. Three years is a long time, at least as long as I've been waiting.
We've got folks who are on their third month and they are complaining, LOL!!
Keep voting - especially when you get The Call!
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