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Post by foghorn on Jun 13, 2017 15:28:45 GMT -5
Well, I got the thumbs down because my Structured interview responses did not meet the minimum score. Having been in practice over 40 years,primarily in litigation, in a variety of situations I have some ideas as to why the score was low but bottom line I have no reason not to appeal and will be.
So, any suggestions --if you've appealed, had a friend appeal, what works, what doesn't.
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Post by casey on Jun 13, 2017 15:34:32 GMT -5
Congratulations to all who received scores!
Unfortunately, I just learned that I failed the structured interview. I was very surprised at this news because I thought I had prepared well. I answered all of the questions and provided clear examples demonstrating the critical competencies, relying on my 26 years as a government attorney with many years of supervisory and litigation experience. I felt confident leaving the SI and feel bewildered at this outcome (the only thing I can think of is that I said that it was warm in the room and asked if they minded if I took my jacket off!). Colleagues who have been through this process have advised that it is rather unusual to fail the structured interview.
Does anyone have any experience that they could share regarding having failed the structured interview? Does anyone have any sense as to how the SI is scored and on what factors or basis one might fail (apart from not answering all ten questions)?
Does anyone have any insights or suggestions regarding whether or how to appeal this decision?
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Post by msp on Jun 13, 2017 15:35:15 GMT -5
foghorn, I'm sorry. You already have some ideas on how to approach your appeal, all I can add is to be thorough and exhaust all avenues. Best wishes.
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Post by niemekv on Jun 13, 2017 15:53:16 GMT -5
I applied in 2013 and was told my WD score did not meet the minimum required to receive an overall score. As they did not give me any other information, my appeal was a single paragraph email stating that I believed this was in error and OPM held all of the information. In July 2015, I was notified they had everything re-graded by different people and I now met the minimum qualifications to receive a score. They did not say how they came to this determination other than everything had been re-graded. I don't know if they simply went with the new scores or averaged them.
If you have any information to provide them, do so. But if you appeal by simply saying I think you were wrong, they will still go back through and make sure there were no errors. However, this is not a quick process.
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Post by casey on Jun 13, 2017 15:57:58 GMT -5
What are your thoughts as to why your score was low? I didn't meet the minimum score on the Structured Interview, too, and I have no idea why. I answered all of the questions and thought that I gave examples for each competency.
How do they score the SI? On what basis can we appeal?
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Post by Prrple on Jun 13, 2017 16:16:25 GMT -5
I applied in 2013 and was told my WD score did not meet the minimum required to receive an overall score. As they did not give me any other information, my appeal was a single paragraph email stating that I believed this was in error and OPM held all of the information. In July 2015, I was notified they had everything re-graded by different people and I now met the minimum qualifications to receive a score. They did not say how they came to this determination other than everything had been re-graded. I don't know if they simply went with the new scores or averaged them. If you have any information to provide them, do so. But if you appeal by simply saying I think you were wrong, they will still go back through and make sure there were no errors. However, this is not a quick process. Thank you for sharing this - it is very helpful!
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Post by pubdef on Jun 13, 2017 16:30:15 GMT -5
The right to appeal is there so take it. The information to know what went wrong isn't available, so I would just tell them they are wrong. You were in the room so if there is additional things that you think might have led to it consider putting it in your appeal. Good luck, Foghorn.
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Jun 13, 2017 16:50:52 GMT -5
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Post by judgenic on Jun 13, 2017 16:50:52 GMT -5
Congratulations to all who received scores! Unfortunately, I just learned that I failed the structured interview. I was very surprised at this news because I thought I had prepared well. I answered all of the questions and provided clear examples demonstrating the critical competencies, relying on my 26 years as a government attorney with many years of supervisory and litigation experience. I felt confident leaving the SI and feel bewildered at this outcome (the only thing I can think of is that I said that it was warm in the room and asked if they minded if I took my jacket off!). Colleagues who have been through this process have advised that it is rather unusual to fail the structured interview. Does anyone have any experience that they could share regarding having failed the structured interview? Does anyone have any sense as to how the SI is scored and on what factors or basis one might fail (apart from not answering all ten questions)? Does anyone have any insights or suggestions regarding whether or how to appeal this decision? Sorry to hear that Casey. You should appeal if permitted.
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Post by foghorn on Jun 13, 2017 16:53:02 GMT -5
This may seem like a sledgehammer for a fly, but is there any usefulness in getting a consult with an attorney who handles issues so that at the next step it's at least set up in a way that would make for a challenge?
In the style of the disability hearing I'd like to think "well, if I'm a judge candidate I should be able to work this..." but pride cometh before the fall and the man who represents himself has a not so bright counsel. I take heart that a one paragraph appeal can work. But, if I don't ask.........................
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Post by hopefulop on Jun 13, 2017 16:53:13 GMT -5
I applied in 2013 and was told my WD score did not meet the minimum required to receive an overall score. As they did not give me any other information, my appeal was a single paragraph email stating that I believed this was in error and OPM held all of the information. In July 2015, I was notified they had everything re-graded by different people and I now met the minimum qualifications to receive a score. They did not say how they came to this determination other than everything had been re-graded. I don't know if they simply went with the new scores or averaged them. If you have any information to provide them, do so. But if you appeal by simply saying I think you were wrong, they will still go back through and make sure there were no errors. However, this is not a quick process. Thank you for offering those of us in this situation some hope!
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Post by christina on Jun 13, 2017 16:54:41 GMT -5
I think more people fail si than u realize. I don't think anyone in the know in how it's graded could pass on that info to you. And bummer
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Post by aa7 on Jun 13, 2017 16:58:45 GMT -5
Congratulations to all who received scores! Unfortunately, I just learned that I failed the structured interview. I was very surprised at this news because I thought I had prepared well. I answered all of the questions and provided clear examples demonstrating the critical competencies, relying on my 26 years as a government attorney with many years of supervisory and litigation experience. I felt confident leaving the SI and feel bewildered at this outcome (the only thing I can think of is that I said that it was warm in the room and asked if they minded if I took my jacket off!). Colleagues who have been through this process have advised that it is rather unusual to fail the structured interview. Does anyone have any experience that they could share regarding having failed the structured interview? Does anyone have any sense as to how the SI is scored and on what factors or basis one might fail (apart from not answering all ten questions)? Does anyone have any insights or suggestions regarding whether or how to appeal this decision? I have no information for you, but I want to commiserate with the feelings you are experiencing. I failed the WD, but that left me with the same feelings you had re the SI. I was sure that my WD was solid, and that if I was chopped, it would have been at the SI. Lo and behold, I failed the WD. Huh? It's just all pretty terrible. I'm sorry.
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Jun 13, 2017 17:03:28 GMT -5
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Post by hopefulop on Jun 13, 2017 17:03:28 GMT -5
Similarly i would appreciate some information, if there is any available, helpful hints etc on appealing the failure to meet minimum score on writing sample. Thanks in advancr
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Post by Blind Guy McSqueezy on Jun 13, 2017 17:32:35 GMT -5
Curious can a 10 pointer retake for this register next quarter or should they appeal? Asking for a friend
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Post by Pixie on Jun 13, 2017 17:35:13 GMT -5
I think the conventional wisdom is to reapply as the appeal process is lengthy and not likely to meet with a favorable result.
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Post by christina on Jun 13, 2017 17:39:02 GMT -5
I agree with pixie on the 10 pointer question. I Know some vets who successfully reapplied.
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Post by patient on Jun 13, 2017 18:28:29 GMT -5
With the reapply advice from the last two posts, am I correct that we have no idea when this option will be available again?
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Post by Pixie on Jun 13, 2017 18:33:16 GMT -5
With the reapply advice from the last two posts, am I correct that we have no idea when this option will be available again? That advice was for a 10 point veteran. They can apply at anytime. Better for them to reapply than go through the appeals process. For non 10 pointers, the only option is to appeal. May be several years before the application process is opened again. Pixie
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Post by foghorn on Jun 13, 2017 18:49:41 GMT -5
aa7 (& Casey)(and others) --I hear you! I figured if I'd blow one thing it would be the logic based test. Low and behold it was something I do every day--meet with people; explain what I do, what the law is. So I muff the SI. All we can do is appeal, plod on, keep in touch and watch for any opening (unlikely, but if it does, we know we can do the first part).
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Post by hope2017 on Jun 13, 2017 18:54:47 GMT -5
aa7 (& Casey)(and others) --I hear you! I figured if I'd blow one thing it would be the logic based test. Low and behold it was something I do every day--meet with people; explain what I do, what the law is. So I muff the SI. All we can do is appeal, plod on, keep in touch and watch for any opening (unlikely, but if it does, we know we can do the first part). f Good luck on your appeal, Foghorn!
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