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Post by weisstho on Jun 13, 2017 18:56:43 GMT -5
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Post by foghorn on Jun 13, 2017 19:10:17 GMT -5
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Post by mamaru on Jun 13, 2017 19:17:21 GMT -5
Keep in mind that you cannot be eliminated on the logic score. Only WD and SI.
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Post by foghorn on Jun 13, 2017 19:18:44 GMT -5
Gives me hope if I live long enough to see it open again.
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Post by foghorn on Jun 13, 2017 19:20:29 GMT -5
Actually, I liked the thought of having aced the logic based. I'll embrace that now disproven assumption for the rest of the week while I deal with the follow up missives from my dear friends at OPM. Sorry, mamaru, but at times like this I need my illusions.
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Post by mjpsu1980 on Jun 13, 2017 19:25:41 GMT -5
So I too didn't receive the minimum score on the SI part and I have a question for my upcoming appeal. In reading the ALJ testing description on the board, it says OPM guidelines suggest that 3 people conduct the SI, but I only had 2 people conduct my SI and I don't recall signing a waiver of this requirement. Is this an appealable issue?
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Post by penelopepitstop on Jun 13, 2017 19:25:59 GMT -5
Im just not seeing a downside to appealing. I'm too old to wait for the register to reopen and there's a slight chance it may work.
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Post by mamaru on Jun 13, 2017 19:28:13 GMT -5
Glad to be of help, foggy. My prediction is that this register has been used to amass the statistics to validate the logic test so that it can be scored next register so perhaps that will help!
As for the two person SI panel, they made a VERY big deal about having me sign a waiver. Such a big deal, including reminding me that if I had to return to D.C. for a three-person panel it would be at my own expense, at which point I felt DURESS! (Magic Word) I think that if you did not sign a waiver that is something to mention in an appeal. Same if anyone felt that they did not have a choice, given the expense of an additional trip to D.C.
BTW I did pass so can't say if either approach will succeed, but I sure can relate to the feeling that I wanted that third person rating me.
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Appealing
Jun 13, 2017 19:52:38 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by mjpsu1980 on Jun 13, 2017 19:52:38 GMT -5
Glad to be of help, foggy. My prediction is that this register has been used to amass the statistics to validate the logic test so that it can be scored next register so perhaps that will help! As for the two person SI panel, they made a VERY big deal about having me sign a waiver. Such a big deal, including reminding me that if I had to return to D.C. for a three-person panel it would be at my own expense, at which point I felt DURESS! (Magic Word) I think that if you did not sign a waiver that is something to mention in an appeal. Same if anyone felt that they did not have a choice, given the expense of an additional trip to D.C. BTW I did pass so can't say if either approach will succeed, but I sure can relate to the feeling that I wanted that third person rating me. Mamaru, Were you asked to sign the waiver before or after you entered the actual room for the SI? I know for sure that I didn't sign a waiver in the actual room where the SI occurred. I believe the only thing I signed was the sign in sheet when I first arrived, but I don't remember signing a waiver or even being asked to sign one. However, my brain was a little fried from the logic test the day before the SI. Thanks for your input.
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Post by mamaru on Jun 13, 2017 19:57:36 GMT -5
Glad to be of help, foggy. My prediction is that this register has been used to amass the statistics to validate the logic test so that it can be scored next register so perhaps that will help! As for the two person SI panel, they made a VERY big deal about having me sign a waiver. Such a big deal, including reminding me that if I had to return to D.C. for a three-person panel it would be at my own expense, at which point I felt DURESS! (Magic Word) I think that if you did not sign a waiver that is something to mention in an appeal. Same if anyone felt that they did not have a choice, given the expense of an additional trip to D.C. BTW I did pass so can't say if either approach will succeed, but I sure can relate to the feeling that I wanted that third person rating me. Mamaru, Were you asked to sign the waiver before or after you entered the actual room for the SI? I know for sure that I didn't sign a waiver in the actual room where the SI occurred. I believe the only thing I signed was the sign in sheet when I first arrived, but I don't remember signing a waiver or even being asked to sign one. However, my brain was a little fried from the logic test the day before the SI. Thanks for your input. [br. It was at a table with an OPM staffer before being escorted to the waiting room with other applicants. Not in the room where the test was given.
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Post by hopefulop on Jun 13, 2017 20:01:28 GMT -5
So I too didn't receive the minimum score on the SI part and I have a question for my upcoming appeal. In reading the ALJ testing description on the board, it says OPM guidelines suggest that 3 people conduct the SI, but I only had 2 people conduct my SI and I don't recall signing a waiver of this requirement. Is this an appealable issue? I too only had two interviewers and did not sign a waiver buy unfortunately it was the writing i did not pass
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Appealing
Jun 13, 2017 20:04:03 GMT -5
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Post by mjpsu1980 on Jun 13, 2017 20:04:03 GMT -5
Stupid question, but were you given a copy of the waiver you signed? I honestly cannot remember being asked to sign a waiver before being brought to the waiting room. They checked my paperwork, I signed in, and that is all I remember before being brought to the waiting room. I just want to make sure I don't misrepresent that I didn't sign a waiver in my appeal.
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Post by basileia on Jun 13, 2017 20:23:37 GMT -5
So I too didn't receive the minimum score on the SI part and I have a question for my upcoming appeal. In reading the ALJ testing description on the board, it says OPM guidelines suggest that 3 people conduct the SI, but I only had 2 people conduct my SI and I don't recall signing a waiver of this requirement. Is this an appealable issue? I too only had two interviewers and did not sign a waiver buy unfortunately it was the writing i did not pass In 2013 I had two and signed a waiver. This last time I had two and I'm pretty sure I was not given a waiver. I passed, so it is irrelevant to me but, had I not passed, I would have made it an issue on appeal.
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Post by hopefulop on Jun 13, 2017 20:34:58 GMT -5
Has anyone received the separate appeal email yet? I haven't and just wanted to make sure it hadnt been sent yet
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Post by alohastate on Jun 13, 2017 20:51:52 GMT -5
Could any of the more experienced board members (hint Gary) weigh in on the 2 panel vs. 3 panel SI? I certainly don't recall signing a waiver either, but I would imagine the difference between 2 and 3 interviewers is discretionary, instead of mandatory. I would be surprised if OPM gave us that kind of a softball for appeal. I could certainly benefit from an SI do-over.
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Post by Prrple on Jun 13, 2017 21:01:23 GMT -5
Has anyone received the separate appeal email yet? I haven't and just wanted to make sure it hadnt been sent yet Not yet....
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Post by usmccol on Jun 13, 2017 21:08:13 GMT -5
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Post by usmccol on Jun 13, 2017 21:13:39 GMT -5
2 interviewers, no waiver, passed SI. It was the tie.
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Post by odarable on Jun 13, 2017 21:14:05 GMT -5
LOL on the FE = iron post: it invokes Breaking Bad! I think weisstho means fair enough?
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Appealing
Jun 13, 2017 21:17:58 GMT -5
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Post by mamaru on Jun 13, 2017 21:17:58 GMT -5
Could any of the more experienced board members (hint Gary) weigh in on the 2 panel vs. 3 panel SI? I certainly don't recall signing a waiver either, but I would imagine the difference between 2 and 3 interviewers is discretionary, instead of mandatory. I would be surprised if OPM gave us that kind of a softball for appeal. I could certainly benefit from an SI do-over. As a matter of clarification, I did the SI in 2013. No idea what the standard procedure was for the second and third batch of applicants, but however the announcement was worded we clearly had a right to a panel of three that OPM felt had to be waived. And no I was not given a copy. For what it's worth, Gary and I tested at the same time and probably had the same experience.
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