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Post by montyburns on Jun 16, 2017 15:18:51 GMT -5
So....is the general consensus for one who failed the WD to simply email an appeal indicating that you feel the score is in error and that OPM would have the necessary information regarding the errors be sufficient? I do not see any real use in pointing out particulars as I don't know of any....in other words no need to raise arbitrariness or other Hail Mary arguments.....agreed? Not specific to the WD, but generally for appealing : If you have a specific recollection of something you suspect you did wrong, I would address argue it. If you had a weird tech issue maybe. Memory is your only resource in terms of having a record on appeal to consult. Other than that: Read whatever you can find/recollect regarding the competencies being tested and formulate at least a plausible argument as to why OPM may have erred in scoring your responses in light of these competencies. This will necessarily be fairly general. |
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Post by southerngal on Jun 16, 2017 16:38:12 GMT -5
on appeal--or not:note montyburns statement: "So it's not unreasonable to think 2025-26 is going to be the next shot" That is a long long trail................ I was thinking the same thing, foghorn. If you're a FOAD now, you're probably dead for many years unless you are miraculously resurrected by a successful appeal. That time frame for a new application will be too late for me. I could be getting SS retirement by then. Hmm. A check from the SSA for not working, or a check for working? One would be much more than the other, but I don't think I'd be able to convince Granny to let me move her to West Craplandia when we're that long in the tooth. :P Well, I'm 66 and this is third try, post-Azdell (the lawsuit that closed down ALJ hiring for 10 years). I passed through the then-process and my name was placed on the register literally weeks before the hiring freeze. Process was a lot different then: a handwritten bar-exam-like test, proctored and graded by a single active, not retired, ALJ. And, an interview with 2 ALJ's. The local-office judges all knew and liked me, as I had practiced before them. I felt reasonably comfortable that I would get a gig, if not in my town of residence, at least in my State.
So I applied in 2007, after the freeze ended, and was finally certed in 2012, not chosen. In 2013, I was certed and, after we were given an opportunity to expand our geographic preferences, mine was practically wide-open. The hiring committee (or the equivalent--the ALJ's that choose which applicants to make offers to) tried to reach me one Friday morning, calling and emailing all my numbers and email addresses. [the messages said they just wanted to clear up something regarding my current employment (that could easily have been explained)]. I was out of pocket for several hours and didn't get the calls until the committee had adjourned. I called back but a staff member told me it was too late. Monday of the next week, Board members started getting calls from Bob.
I am appealing this recent NOR but this will be my last try. Maybe I've just had some bad luck, or maybe the celestial powers-that-be are trying to tell me something. I heard, on this Board, of a judge hired in his 90's--I wouldn't be interested. |
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Post by acttwo on Jun 17, 2017 10:37:41 GMT -5
Aw gee, I can't tell the beau that! We both will be in our 70's by then. While I figure I will need to work until I drop (no city pension, and if there were, methinks it will go the way of those for Detroit city workers), I gotta do something sooner. But it is true that this is a time of flux in all things. Happy Fathers' Day weekend to all! |
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Post by Serious, J. on Jun 17, 2017 12:05:22 GMT -5
I'm sort if at a point where I'd just as soon let another decade go before giving it a serious shot again, but I'm 40. It's exhausting emotionally; gets expensive if you end up flying to D.C. every 3 years; my kids are at an age where dragging them to set up shop in west craplandia for an indeterminate period doesn't sound appealing, nor does spending a bunch of money to live a lonely life apart from them for an indefinite period. A young man, in the realm of judges. Not saying it may take 10 years, but even 50 is young when you're talking about becoming a judge. This is one of those occupations where patience and wisdom are useful virtues. |
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Post by jonesy on Jun 17, 2017 16:43:32 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing, foghorn. If you're a FOAD now, you're probably dead for many years unless you are miraculously resurrected by a successful appeal. That time frame for a new application will be too late for me. I could be getting SS retirement by then. Hmm. A check from the SSA for not working, or a check for working? One would be much more than the other, but I don't think I'd be able to convince Granny to let me move her to West Craplandia when we're that long in the tooth.  Well, I'm 66 and this is third try, post-Azdell (the lawsuit that closed down ALJ hiring for 10 years). I passed through the then-process and my name was placed on the register literally weeks before the hiring freeze. Process was a lot different then: a handwritten bar-exam-like test, proctored and graded by a single active, not retired, ALJ. And, an interview with 2 ALJ's. The local-office judges all knew and liked me, as I had practiced before them. I felt reasonably comfortable that I would get a gig, if not in my town of residence, at least in my State.
So I applied in 2007, after the freeze ended, and was finally certed in 2012, not chosen. In 2013, I was certed and, after we were given an opportunity to expand our geographic preferences, mine was practically wide-open. The hiring committee (or the equivalent--the ALJ's that choose which applicants to make offers to) tried to reach me one Friday morning, calling and emailing all my numbers and email addresses. [the messages said they just wanted to clear up something regarding my current employment (that could easily have been explained)]. I was out of pocket for several hours and didn't get the calls until the committee had adjourned. I called back but a staff member told me it was too late. Monday of the next week, Board members started getting calls from Bob.
I am appealing this recent NOR but this will be my last try. Maybe I've just had some bad luck, or maybe the celestial powers-that-be are trying to tell me something. I heard, on this Board, of a judge hired in his 90's--I wouldn't be interested. Wow, you've had quite a ride, Southerngal. The 2013 cert--ouch. Thanks for sharing and putting things in perspective. |
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Post by jonesy on Jun 17, 2017 16:44:18 GMT -5
I'm still wallowing, but slooowly pulling out of it. The problem with this type of cut is that it won't just heal up; it'll keep reopening as the process continues...
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Post by foghorn on Jun 17, 2017 17:24:46 GMT -5
By the way, if it wasn't clear I was responding using montyburns' statement to those who indicated why appeal, why not just wait. Well, waiting will be long.
Note though from the new thread "Certification" that there will only be 100 certs this year. So unless you were in the top 100 anyway, while you appeal comfort yourself that you wouldn't be doing anything you aren't now, anyway.
Yeah, I'd heard more judges but we are all just prisoners of our own desires, said the (non legal) eagles.
So on to working the appeal.
To answer Mango 54, give it some thought. Note that the paragraph should point out that it's a review on the record, you don't have the record (though you would like to make a request for the same) and therefore you cannot be specific but....
and therefore at a minimum, you would request a rescoring.
They rescore, you get on OK. If not, you've lost the half hour it took to assemble the paragraph.
For those with SI issues, or other issues, more in depth. It's an appeal--treat it with dignity and hopefully they will respond. Look like you're just slinging a paragraph, and they can certainly respond in kind. And probably will. In 1 year or more, it appears!
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Post by hope2017 on Jun 18, 2017 8:20:29 GMT -5
Appeal filed. Thanks to everyone who made helpful comments re: appealing. It feels good to not have to think about this for the next couple of years.
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Post by foghorn on Jun 18, 2017 21:35:43 GMT -5
Appeal filed. Thanks to everyone who made helpful comments re: appealing. It feels good to not have to think about this for the next couple of years. Good for you. Have to check with some who've written in then will get mine off at the end of the week. However, for those who filed appeals, if you have any insights, illuminations of the lightbulb above the brain, let us know. As we don't get to see the record the decision will be based upon, we appellants, we unhappy few are open to such insights as may strike you when you are stuck in traffic, cleaning a lint filter, or other chores that remind you of the joy of this process. |
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Post by foghorn on Jun 18, 2017 21:36:07 GMT -5
Ps to all, as always, GOOD LUCK!
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Post by dragon on Jun 19, 2017 6:32:00 GMT -5
Dear ALJ Panel,
I wore my lucky superhero underpants. There is simply no way I could fail with the best of Marvel covering my butt during the testing procedures. Therefore, I respectfully ask for my WD to be re-graded and placed among the Spider-Man and Cat Woman piles to move on the next certs.
Sincerely,
Superman She-ra Joker
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Post by gary on Jun 19, 2017 7:04:35 GMT -5
Dear ALJ Panel, I wore my lucky superhero underpants. There is simply no way I could fail with the best of Marvel covering my butt during the testing procedures. Therefore, I respectfully ask for my WD to be re-graded and placed among the Spider-Man and Cat Woman piles to move on the next certs. Sincerely, Superman She-ra Joker Dear dragon: We are all DC fans. Appeal denied. Great Caesar's Ghost! ALJ Appeals Panel |
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Post by hope2017 on Jun 19, 2017 8:00:23 GMT -5
Appeal filed. Thanks to everyone who made helpful comments re: appealing. It feels good to not have to think about this for the next couple of years. Good for you. Have to check with some who've written in then will get mine off at the end of the week. However, for those who filed appeals, if you have any insights, illuminations of the lightbulb above the brain, let us know. As we don't get to see the record the decision will be based upon, we appellants, we unhappy few are open to such insights as may strike you when you are stuck in traffic, cleaning a lint filter, or other chores that remind you of the joy of this process. My appeal is certainly far from brilliant. However, I re-read Section 1: WD of the Job Announcement and focused my appeal on the purpose of the WD. Good luck, Foghorn. (I think you will make a great ALJ and wish you success on your appeal.) |
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Post by moopigsdad on Jun 19, 2017 10:12:55 GMT -5
on appeal--or not:note montyburns statement: "So it's not unreasonable to think 2025-26 is going to be the next shot" That is a long long trail................ Personally, it will not be that long for another refresh or new Register. A new Register or refresh occurs every two to four years by OPM. So, do not think your next shot will not be for another eight years. People come and go from every federal agency for one reason or another, so there will always be openings for new ALJs. Furthermore, the numbers of ALJs needed for both SSA and OMHA will only increase with time depending upon the budget and other considerations. Good luck to all with your appeals. I know quite a few people whose appeals were granted from the 2013 test after originally being cut in one stage or another. So, do not give up. |
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Post by merlot on Jun 19, 2017 10:13:55 GMT -5
Check your spam folder? Check the place that shall not be named on this thread? (AM). The same information is available there as well.
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Post by Pixie on Jun 19, 2017 10:52:54 GMT -5
Check your spam folder? Check the place that shall not be named on this thread? (AM). The same information is available there as well. Don't start it. Once started it won't stop on its own. |
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Post by McLovin' on Jun 19, 2017 12:34:56 GMT -5
Was there anyone in this round who didn't meet the minimum score and who was told that this was based on more than one component of the examination? I'm in a unique situation in which my reasonable accommodation was not carried out correctly with respect to the LBMT or the SI, but my NOR states that I failed to meet the minimum score on the written demonstration. Like many others, I failed based on the one area that I felt was my strength. Should I limit my appeal to the assumption that my written demonstration was the only basis for not having received a rating?
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Post by gary on Jun 19, 2017 12:44:13 GMT -5
Was there anyone in this round who didn't meet the minimum score and who was told that this was based on more than one component of the examination? I'm in a unique situation in which my reasonable accommodation was not carried out correctly with respect to the LBMT or the SI, but my NOR states that I failed to meet the minimum score on the written demonstration. Like many others, I failed based on the one area that I felt was my strength. Should I limit my appeal to the assumption that my written demonstration was the only basis for not having received a rating? OPM does tell people if they failed to meet the minimum score on both the WD and the SI. |
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Post by hopefulop on Jun 19, 2017 12:51:27 GMT -5
on appeal--or not:note montyburns statement: "So it's not unreasonable to think 2025-26 is going to be the next shot" That is a long long trail................ Personally, it will not be that long for another refresh or new Register. A new Register or refresh occurs every two to four years by OPM. So, do not think your next shot will not be for another eight years. People come and go from every federal agency for one reason or another, so there will always be openings for new ALJs. Furthermore, the numbers of ALJs needed for both SSA and OMHA will only increase with time depending upon the budget and other considerations. Good luck to all with your appeals. I know quite a few people whose appeals were granted from the 2013 test after originally being cut in one stage or another. So, do not give up. Thank you so much for the optimism and words of encouragement! |
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Post by neufenland on Jun 19, 2017 13:06:32 GMT -5
Dear ALJ Panel, I wore my lucky superhero underpants. There is simply no way I could fail with the best of Marvel covering my butt during the testing procedures. Therefore, I respectfully ask for my WD to be re-graded and placed among the Spider-Man and Cat Woman piles to move on the next certs. Sincerely, Superman She-ra Joker Dear dragon: We are all DC fans. Appeal denied. Great Caesar's Ghost! ALJ Appeals Panel Catwoman is DC. There's one saving grace. |
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