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Post by artemis on Apr 21, 2008 18:09:26 GMT -5
Questions to those in the know:
#1 On this new and supplemental certificate does SSA-ODAR plan to interview a second time those candidates previously interviewed in Feb and March of 2008 for this new certificate:
#2 If the first group of candidates interviewed in Feb and March of '08 are not re-interviewed on this pending certificate are they still up for consideration with the new candidates being interviewed for the first time in May of 2008; and
#3 Are there any rumors of a cut off score like the earlier ODAR certificate if this year which hovered around 65?
I am very confused by the certificate process since there is little published information about the exercise and greatly appreciate any insight this board membership has to offer?
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Post by odarite on Apr 21, 2008 19:21:04 GMT -5
1. no
2. yes
3. no
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Post by Pixie on Apr 21, 2008 21:45:14 GMT -5
There is no such thing as a "cut off" score. What you are probably thinking of is the person with the lowest score who made the certificate. That won't be determined until all of the names are on the certificate. Then the terminology would be that a _ _ is the lowest score referred to the agency on the certificate. OPM doesn't establish a score that is required in order to be on the certificate.
Hope this doesn't confuse more than it clarifies. Pix.
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Post by privateattorney on Apr 22, 2008 8:45:05 GMT -5
I received confirmation from the Office of the CALJ by e-mail that those who interviewed in Jan and Feb but were not selected will not have to interview again. Those individuals will be considered for a position so long as OPM forwards their name on the new cert.
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Post by morgullord on Apr 22, 2008 9:05:40 GMT -5
Suppose you believe that you got a bad score out of the interview? What then? Do you wear the albatross forever?
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Post by privateattorney on Apr 22, 2008 9:11:41 GMT -5
I was told by an ALJ who was a former supervisor that they are only trying to ferret out the wackos and mavericks during the interviews. My guess is anyone who is perceived to be a troublemaker during the interview or someone who is not a team player would raise concerns about their employability.
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Post by Pixie on Apr 22, 2008 17:30:03 GMT -5
PA, that is exactly the way it used to be. I don't know if it has changed much, but I would think that with the interview, as with the other aspects of the process, they are being more proactive. Just my best guess. Pix.
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Post by barkley on Apr 23, 2008 1:16:54 GMT -5
I received confirmation from the Office of the CALJ by e-mail that those who interviewed in Jan and Feb but were not selected will not have to interview again. Those individuals will be considered for a position so long as OPM forwards their name on the new cert. I know I think too concretely, but can we work through an example? Last go 'round, Candidates 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 were referred by OPM for two slots in Podunk. Candidate 1 accepts an offer. Candidate 2 declines. For whatever reason, SSA does not extend an offer to 3, 4, 5, and 6. Podunk is listed on the next cert. Underwhat circumstances would OPM send anyone other than 3, 4, and 5 to be considered? |
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Post by chinook on Apr 23, 2008 8:30:44 GMT -5
The bigger question is what locations will be on the new Cert. An earlier announcement indicated that the cert will include ALJs for a new National Hearing Center (NHC) in Albuquerque and ALJs to expand the Falls Church NHC. Neither of those were on the last cert and there were other locations that were not on the last cert. I believe ABQ and Falls Church will take more than one new ALJ each. If fact, they may take up a good percentage of the new cert. My guess is that if Podunk was on the last cert there is a good chance it might not be on this one. Now if you were interviewed last time and your city selection included a location on the new cert and your score is high enough, as compared to others who have selected the new cities, for OPM to send your name over, then you will not need to interview. I expect that a number of the people on the new cert were not on the last because of the new geographical opportunities. These individuals will be the ones interviewed.
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Post by counsel on Apr 23, 2008 9:27:56 GMT -5
"Underwhat circumstances would OPM send anyone other than 3, 4, and 5 to be considered?"
If 3, 4 and 5 were offered and accepted a different city they would no longer be available. In addition, I think the assumption is that the new cert will have new cities on it, thereby changing the mix.
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Post by nonamouse on Apr 23, 2008 9:50:32 GMT -5
The order in which the cities come up during the selection process can change which 3 people are considered for a certain location even if everyone had selected "all" cities that make the cert.
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Post by jagghagg on Apr 25, 2008 8:42:14 GMT -5
What Barkley is asking assumes that there is a relationship between the last cert (hire of 133) and the expected "new" cert (of about 90 candidates) and there is no relationship at all. All the rules and the process begins anew. (The exception seems to be that only candidates on the "new" cert who have not had an interview will be interviewed. So that everyone has an interview with the least expense of resources.) The fact that 3,4,and 5 even were ON the old cert, much less that they were in line for a location to be filled, is irrelevant to the hires off the new cert. They start at ground Zero for a position on the new cert, just as they did on the old cert. Square one. It doesn't matter if they were "2nd" in line for a position on the old cert, or 65th in line. They are in the same position for getting an ALJ slot off the "new" cert as they were when they traveled to Falls Church to interview for the old cert slots. Nothing carries over.
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Post by jagghagg on Apr 25, 2008 8:45:05 GMT -5
The bigger question is what locations will be on the new Cert. An earlier announcement indicated that the cert will include ALJs for a new National Hearing Center (NHC) in Albuquerque and ALJs to expand the Falls Church NHC. I am told that hearing center ALJ slots - Albuquerque and Falls Church - will NOT be offered to baby ALJs, but rather reserved for experienced judges. |
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Post by aljhunter on Apr 25, 2008 9:12:26 GMT -5
The bigger question is what locations will be on the new Cert. An earlier announcement indicated that the cert will include ALJs for a new National Hearing Center (NHC) in Albuquerque and ALJs to expand the Falls Church NHC. I am told that hearing center ALJ slots - Albuquerque and Falls Church - will NOT be offered to baby ALJs, but rather reserved for experienced judges. So, one slot for Region I (maybe, if the slot has not been filled by transfer) and no slots in a NHC office for "baby ALJs." Can the news get any more depressing. It's a rhetorical question, so please do not respond! I fear that any answer would be a resounding "Yes!" |
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