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Post by fowlfinder on Sept 17, 2018 22:36:33 GMT -5
Weirdness at SSA. In my mail got a note about an attorney advisor job at HHS, litigator job. Looked interesting. Go to it, it says at the top open 9/13 close 9/14! OK, but then it says closed already and it wasn't yet midnight. Then scroll to the bottom it says closes 10/15/18. Hope that's not how they'll hire ALJ's! Same here. I emailed the contact person at the end of the announcement, saying I wanted to apply but could not, and asking why that was. NO response to date. There was a position that was limited to 100 applicants. That may have explained the quick closure. |
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Post by Thru Hiker on Sept 18, 2018 12:15:02 GMT -5
SSA AA Position announced for St Louis. See USA Jobs. This opened yesterday, put your application in quick if you want to be considered. TH
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Post by Thru Hiker on Sept 18, 2018 12:39:19 GMT -5
Weirdness at SSA. In my mail got a note about an attorney advisor job at HHS, litigator job. Looked interesting. Go to it, it says at the top open 9/13 close 9/14! OK, but then it says closed already and it wasn't yet midnight. Then scroll to the bottom it says closes 10/15/18. Hope that's not how they'll hire ALJ's! HHS is not SSA. Very different, I think. However, for any atty job announced at USA Jobs, there will be many applicants. A lot of unemployed, or underemployed, lawyers out there. Federal pay rates (right now) exceed pay rates in some states and the private sector (other than BigLaw). So for some postings, to be considered you essentially have to be among the first xxx hundred applicants, to be considered. I think they go through the applications until they hit their target number of responsive applicants to be interviewed, and ignore the rest. If you had 500+ applications to slog through, would you do it any differently? If it is an AA job you are seeking, without an inside track, one needs to: - figure out how to get USA Jobs to send you the announcements
- have all your stuff prepped to submit quickly: transcripts, certificate of good standing in your bar [this will take time if your state does not have a bar card or directory of admitted attys, so may need to get this in advance], polished resume, selected writing samples, culled list of references
- apply within 12-24 hrs of opening, or you may be SOL
Even then, you may be SOL. If it is a GS-13 or above, likely someone has an inside track for what is essentially a promotion but must be publicly advertised and competitively awarded first.
I think post-Exec Order, ALJ spots in agencies other than SSA will go to attys who have practiced before those agencies, with the occasional tx from SSA or other ALJ pond. And as you've heard from Pixie, SSA ALJs will likely be filled from within, for the same reasons: known performers. Best of luck.
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Post by blondswede on Sept 18, 2018 13:56:33 GMT -5
Same here. I emailed the contact person at the end of the announcement, saying I wanted to apply but could not, and asking why that was. NO response to date. There was a position that was limited to 100 applicants. That may have explained the quick closure. I looked at the announcement specifically for the "limited to first 100 applicants" language, but couldn't find it. |
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Post by natethegreat on Sept 18, 2018 14:12:02 GMT -5
Weirdness at SSA. In my mail got a note about an attorney advisor job at HHS, litigator job. Looked interesting. Go to it, it says at the top open 9/13 close 9/14! OK, but then it says closed already and it wasn't yet midnight. Then scroll to the bottom it says closes 10/15/18. Hope that's not how they'll hire ALJ's! HHS is not SSA. Very different, I think. However, for any atty job announced at USA Jobs, there will be many applicants. A lot of unemployed, or underemployed, lawyers out there. Federal pay rates (right now) exceed pay rates in some states and the private sector (other than BigLaw). So for some postings, to be considered you essentially have to be among the first xxx hundred applicants, to be considered. I think they go through the applications until they hit their target number of responsive applicants to be interviewed, and ignore the rest. If you had 500+ applications to slog through, would you do it any differently? If it is an AA job you are seeking, without an inside track, one needs to: - figure out how to get USA Jobs to send you the announcements
- have all your stuff prepped to submit quickly: transcripts, certificate of good standing in your bar [this will take time if your state does not have a bar card or directory of admitted attys, so may need to get this in advance], polished resume, selected writing samples, culled list of references
- apply within 12-24 hrs of opening, or you may be SOL
Even then, you may be SOL. If it is a GS-13 or above, likely someone has an inside track for what is essentially a promotion but must be publicly advertised and competitively awarded first.
I think post-Exec Order, ALJ spots in agencies other than SSA will go to attys who have practiced before those agencies, with the occasional tx from SSA or other ALJ pond. And as you've heard from Pixie, SSA ALJs will likely be filled from within, for the same reasons: known performers. Best of luck.
A lot of good points here. I would also note that most GS13 or above attorney positions at SSA tend to be open to internal applicants only from what I have seen. |
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Post by 2rvrrun on Sept 18, 2018 15:10:31 GMT -5
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Post by foghorn on Sept 18, 2018 16:51:39 GMT -5
Anyone on the board work for (or have worked for) DOJ civil in one of its various branches? There have been some notices of openings here and there and I'm curious as to what it's like to work at DOJ Central instead of being a civil AUSA, what they are looking for, etc.
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Post by natethegreat on Sept 18, 2018 17:30:31 GMT -5
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Post by wendy on Sept 18, 2018 21:04:12 GMT -5
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Post by SPN Lifer on Sept 18, 2018 22:10:33 GMT -5
Needs 30% VA disability.
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Post by dshawn on Sept 22, 2018 5:41:19 GMT -5
Appellate Immigration Judge (Board Member)
Department: Department of Justice
Agency:Executive Office for Immigration Review
Number of Job Opportunities & Location(s): Many vacancies - Multiple Locations
Salary: $132,606.00 to $174,500.00 / Per Year
Series and Grade: IJ-0905-00
Open Period: Friday, September 21, 2018 to Thursday, October 4, 2018
Position Information: Permanent - Full-Time
Who May Apply: Open to the public
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Post by foghorn on Sept 22, 2018 14:23:48 GMT -5
I note a number of openings for general attorneys such as the recent ones for CPSC. However when you look the main focus is on personnel and labor. I wonder if this is because of normal turnover or if it is because certain agencies are going to be downsized and they are anticipating possible claims or litigation.
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Post by marb on Sept 24, 2018 22:47:33 GMT -5
I am a DoD attorney, and have worked for three DoD agencies over nearly 20 years. Some DoD agencies use the DoD Resume Bank to find prospective job candidates. Information is at the following link: ogc.osd.mil/home/attorneys.pdf Note the instructions, and email address. An agency that I worked for prior to my current job, and that ultimately promoted me to a non-supervisory GS-15 position, pulled my resume and contacted me for an interview by pulling my resume from the Resume Bank. However, they only pulled my resume to contact me after a coworker recommended me. The resumes are actually stored the old fashioned way, and someone would have to make a trip to the Pentagon to photocopy resumes. This means that the jobs tend to be in the DC area. I think it is not the most efficient way to look for folks to interview, but if anyone is interested in DoD, it is pretty simple to email a resume. Note also that the Navy uses its own website to post job announcements, and rarely posts anything on USAJobs (just Google "Navy OGC." The website seems to move around and receive updates from time to time. There should also be sort of a placeholder announcement that the Navy has on USAJobs that indicates to go to the Navy website to look for vacancies.) Although attorney positions are excepted service, I have worked for two agencies that sometimes take nearly a year to hire someone after posting a job announcement. The job application requirements were cumbersome. When I applied for jobs, I always submitted all the documents knowing that some attorneys who review applicants consider complying with instructions a good indicator of the attention to detail that an applicant may apply to work with the agency. (One agency had separate sets of attorneys assigned to review application packages, and another group assigned for the year to interview those candidates.) For entry-level or "journeyman" level positions (GS-11 or -12/13), my office often had to sort through well over 100 applications, and we would not infrequently see folks who had gone to high-ranking law schools and lost jobs at big law firms. It is tough out there! However, if anyone wants to become a contracting officer or contract specialist (competitive service), the starting grades are lower, but one will often move up more easily and, in the DC area, agencies struggle to retain and fill these positions. It is very helpful to have an understanding of contracts law and administrative law in these agency procurement (1102) positions. |
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Post by Pixie on Sept 24, 2018 23:05:25 GMT -5
I am a DoD attorney, and have worked for three DoD agencies over nearly 20 years. Some DoD agencies use the DoD Resume Bank to find prospective job candidates. Information is at the following link: ogc.osd.mil/home/attorneys.pdf Note the instructions, and email address. An agency that I worked for prior to my current job, and that ultimately promoted me to a non-supervisory GS-15 position, pulled my resume and contacted me for an interview by pulling my resume from the Resume Bank. However, they only pulled my resume to contact me after a coworker recommended me. The resumes are actually stored the old fashioned way, and someone would have to make a trip to the Pentagon to photocopy resumes. This means that the jobs tend to be in the DC area. I think it is not the most efficient way to look for folks to interview, but if anyone is interested in DoD, it is pretty simple to email a resume. Note also that the Navy uses its own website to post job announcements, and rarely posts anything on USAJobs (just Google "Navy OGC." The website seems to move around and receive updates from time to time. There should also be sort of a placeholder announcement that the Navy has on USAJobs that indicates to go to the Navy website to look for vacancies.) Although attorney positions are excepted service, I have worked for two agencies that sometimes take nearly a year to hire someone after posting a job announcement. The job application requirements were cumbersome. When I applied for jobs, I always submitted all the documents knowing that some attorneys who review applicants consider complying with instructions a good indicator of the attention to detail that an applicant may apply to work with the agency. (One agency had separate sets of attorneys assigned to review application packages, and another group assigned for the year to interview those candidates.) For entry-level or "journeyman" level positions (GS-11 or -12/13), my office often had to sort through well over 100 applications, and we would not infrequently see folks who had gone to high-ranking law schools and lost jobs at big law firms. It is tough out there! However, if anyone wants to become a contracting officer or contract specialist (competitive service), the starting grades are lower, but one will often move up more easily and, in the DC area, agencies struggle to retain and fill these positions. It is very helpful to have an understanding of contracts law and administrative law in these agency procurement (1102) positions. Thank you for the informative post, and welcome to the board. Pixie |
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Post by foghorn on Sept 25, 2018 0:03:21 GMT -5
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Post by foghorn on Sept 25, 2018 0:05:39 GMT -5
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Post by desert2beach on Sept 25, 2018 7:49:42 GMT -5
Since this seems to be a general "send us your stuff and we'll let you know if we're interested in you" announcement, I applied, even though I wouldn't move to any of the listed locations. I figure that if they are really that interested in me, we can sort out location. |
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Post by SPN Lifer on Sept 25, 2018 8:35:49 GMT -5
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Post by Pixie on Sept 27, 2018 11:43:34 GMT -5
I think I will merge this new thread into the existing thread. One reason I do this is because it is easier on me to deal with one thread rather than several. Plus it keeps things together.
There are a lot of job opportunities in the post by @usij above.
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