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Post by SPN Lifer on Jan 10, 2018 17:42:32 GMT -5
Judge Gorsuch actually included a sentence diagram in one of his opinions for the 10th Circuit. The citation eludes me, but the case involved, I believe, a felon in possession of a firearm. Respectfully, Tom B |
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Post by rhd on Jan 20, 2018 13:11:10 GMT -5
IMPACT as a verb. Has it ever been officially recognized by TPTB? I still don't like it.
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Post by Pixie on Jan 20, 2018 15:10:49 GMT -5
IMPACT as a verb. Has it ever been officially recognized by TPTB? I still don't like it. Neither do I. |
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Post by rhd on Jan 20, 2018 19:25:02 GMT -5
IMPACT as a verb. Has it ever been officially recognized by TPTB? I still don't like it. Neither do I. That is the nicest thing you have ever said to me. |
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Post by JudgeKnot on Jan 22, 2018 8:39:25 GMT -5
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Post by Pixie on Jan 22, 2018 8:53:20 GMT -5
Some good ones in there. Thanks for finding the article and posting. Pixie |
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Post by Thru Hiker on Jan 22, 2018 14:00:54 GMT -5
As an ALJ hopeful (will the powers that be ever issue another cert?) and an LRW professor, I have a few pet peeves that come up over and over again. Here are just a few: (1) "effect" vs. "affect" -- Grammarly has a nice summary of how to properly use each as both a noun or a verb (https://www.grammarly.com/blog/affect-vs-effect/) (2) properly placing punctuation inside or outside the comma -- I probably cited to Purdue's OWL for this one on half of my students' final written assignments this Fall. (https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/577/03/) (3) the Oxford comma -- Another Grammarly article (https://www.grammarly.com/blog/what-is-the-oxford-comma-and-why-do-people-care-so-much-about-it/) I haven't fully read comments in this thread, so apology if there is repetition, but here are my contributions: (1) "impact" vs. "affect", such as "this new program impacts...." My personal view is that the modern usage derives from the commonly used phrase "Environmental Impact Statement acronym," which then was morphed in further discussion about how such-and-such nefarious project would "impact" the environment. I may have agreed with the speaker about the program, but the usage usually has an adverse effect on my teeth, almost to the point of impaction. But according to MW, I am wrong, or 400 years behind the times: www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/yes-impact-is-a-verb. Absolutely do crack my teeth at "impactful." (2) "humanness" vs. "humanity" But again MW says I am wrong. At least when one uses "humanity," one less letter is used! |
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Post by rhd on Jan 22, 2018 14:24:58 GMT -5
I haven't fully read comments in this thread, so apology if there is repetition, but here are my contributions: (1) "impact" vs. "affect", such as "this new program impacts...." My personal view is that the modern usage derives from the commonly used phrase "Environmental Impact Statement acronym," which then was morphed in further discussion about how such-and-such nefarious project would "impact" the environment. I may have agreed with the speaker about the program, but the usage usually has an adverse effect on my teeth, almost to the point of impaction. But according to MW, I am wrong, or 400 years behind the times: www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/yes-impact-is-a-verb. Absolutely do crack my teeth at "impactful." (2) "humanness" vs. "humanity" But again MW says I am wrong. At least when one uses "humanity," one less letter is used!
In re: The Hindenburg
Oh the humanness!
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Post by JudgeKnot on Jan 22, 2018 14:38:16 GMT -5
I often use an impact wrench when I'm working on cars. My affect wrench doesn't work anymore.
On a more serious note, I thought I'd look up the word impact. It's interesting how different sites define and describe it. MW says impact is either a transitive verb or an intransitive verb. It doesn't say it can be used as a noun. (Now I have to look up the difference between transitive and intransitive verbs.) Dictionary.com says it's a noun, or a verb (used with object) or verb (used without object).
If dictionaries can't be consistent, how can the average American hope to get it right?
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Post by Thru Hiker on Jan 22, 2018 15:17:20 GMT -5
I don't think the diagram helps (or hurts) his argument. It just shows he knows how to diagram a sentence (according to whichever convention he has chosen). His prose explanation is clear on its own. I think I slept through the diagramming unit of any grammar class I ever took.... I once had to argue a case with someone's professional license on the line, and the issue was how to interpret the use of a comma. I won the argument, but diagramming the sentence probably would have made the case easier -- or at least easier to understand. Not easy to diagram with Microsoft Word. But this is helpful stuff, this discussion. |
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Post by jagvet on Jan 24, 2018 11:39:32 GMT -5
IMPACT as a verb. Has it ever been officially recognized by TPTB? I still don't like it. Neither do I. I remember GM revealed a prototype electric car a few years back. It was called the Impact. Gee, who doesn't want to buy a car that is a synonym for crash? The only impact I respect as a verb refers to a tooth (as in "impacted molar"), because it is a medical term. So "the molar will impact" is just about the only usage that doesn't make me cringe. |
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Post by tom b on Jan 24, 2018 11:53:27 GMT -5
To SSA: One of my favorite lines (which I will mangle) from Strunk and White's The Elements of Style is "don't say that you are nauseous unless you are sure that is the effect you have on others."
To JAGVET: (a) Good to see you back on the board, and (b) I might tolerate "impact" as a verb when it comes to gutters as well. That's my limit, though.
Respectfully, Tom B
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Post by jagvet on Jan 24, 2018 11:57:29 GMT -5
To SSA: One of my favorite lines (which I will mangle) from Strunk and White's The Elements of Style is "don't say that you are nauseous unless you are sure that is the effect you have on others." To JAGVET: (a) Good to see you back on the board, and (b) I might tolerate "impact" as a verb when it comes to gutters as well. That's my limit, though. Respectfully, Tom B Thanks, tom b. More pet peeves:
"Reach out" (psychology jargon), instead of "call," as in, "I will reach out to SSA HQ." (Really? How long are your arms?). "Self-medicate." Is a fifth of vodka equivalent to two aspirin? "Partnered," or even worse, "partnering." Biggest peeves--drumroll, please: "..., but at the end of the day, the elephant in the room and the 600-pound gorilla...."
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Post by Pixie on Jan 24, 2018 12:50:02 GMT -5
To SSA: One of my favorite lines (which I will mangle) from Strunk and White's The Elements of Style is "don't say that you are nauseous unless you are sure that is the effect you have on others." To JAGVET: (a) Good to see you back on the board, and (b) I might tolerate "impact" as a verb when it comes to gutters as well. That's my limit, though. Respectfully, Tom B Thanks, tom b. More pet peeves:
"Reach out" (psychology jargon), instead of "call," as in, "I will reach out to SSA HQ." (Really? How long are your arms?). "Self-medicate." Is a fifth of vodka equivalent to two aspirin? "Partnered," or even worse, "partnering." Biggest peeves--drumroll, please: "..., but at the end of the day, the elephant in the room and the 600-pound gorilla...."
Similarly: "Having said that . . . ." |
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Post by SPN Lifer on Jan 24, 2018 15:04:33 GMT -5
“It is what it is.”
And it’s not what it’s not.
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Post by Pixie on Jan 24, 2018 15:22:38 GMT -5
But if one is from the City, it has to be "It is what it is." That's where it started (I think) and has taken over there. Slowly spread to the rest of the country.
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Post by foghorn on Jan 24, 2018 16:05:14 GMT -5
But if one is from the City, it has to be "It is what it is." That's where it started (I think) and has taken over there. Slowly spread to the rest of the country. Even if the phrase leaves something to be desired as philosophy or elegant usage, like the term "usage" it works, and a number of therapists like the phrase for getting anxious perseverating patients to accept what is and move past that item. |
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Post by foghorn on Jan 24, 2018 16:09:03 GMT -5
To SSA: One of my favorite lines (which I will mangle) from Strunk and White's The Elements of Style is "don't say that you are nauseous unless you are sure that is the effect you have on others." To JAGVET: (a) Good to see you back on the board, and (b) I might tolerate "impact" as a verb when it comes to gutters as well. That's my limit, though. Respectfully, Tom B Thanks, tom b. More pet peeves:
"Reach out" (psychology jargon), instead of "call," as in, "I will reach out to SSA HQ." (Really? How long are your arms?). "Self-medicate." Is a fifth of vodka equivalent to two aspirin? "Partnered," or even worse, "partnering." Biggest peeves--drumroll, please: "..., but at the end of the day, the elephant in the room and the 600-pound gorilla...."
I saw an article on PTSD among British Afghanistan campaign veterans, and they referred to the use of alcohol by those squaddies as .....self medication (and noted that statistically it seemed to help some of the veterans process their experience). Used in such contexts the phrase implies the risks your comment suggests. |
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Post by Thru Hiker on Jan 26, 2018 21:23:19 GMT -5
I haven't fully read comments in this thread, so apology if there is repetition, but here are my contributions: I will have to find a way to use impacteth in my writing. I will try not to be smug -- it is difficult -- but on searching what is a Chirurgian (also spelled Chirurgien), I think the use of "impacteth" in the quote confirms my views on the use of "impact" as a verb today. But I have a more urgent pet peeve: my new kittens have no manners. They climb all things climbable. They knock all papers off the desk. The female especially likes to pee in my paper recycling box, as well as the bathroom sink, and other surprising locations. And their English grammar is not much better. [Still working on the video proof of this] |
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Post by Legal Beagle on Jan 27, 2018 19:59:02 GMT -5
"Thank you, thank you very much" is an homage to Elvis, and will never go away.
My pet peeves:
ATM Machine
When asking a claimant if the have (or why do they not have) a Driver's license, the answer is always a version of "I don't have the money to get them back," "they took them for (child support, DUI, drugs, etc)"
But why, oh why is driver's license always PLURAL??
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