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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 18:00:37 GMT -5
So the Agency wants 500. They push as much as possible even if informally. So many of us work hard at doing the best we can in the three hours alloted per case. But here is the rub, i am at 460, have over 80 in UNWR have seven in DWPC and may get a few more favorables but not going to get the 40 needed to make the magic number.
Next year i do not want to hear any pushing to hurry up if you are not going to have the ability to write them.
I will be one of the 70 percent who did not make the goal but not because of my lack of trying
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Post by lurkerbelow on Sept 17, 2018 19:10:12 GMT -5
Believe me, we are all writing as fast as we can. Our office is at full tilt.
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Post by harp on Sept 17, 2018 19:22:18 GMT -5
Yep. My office is at 100 percent DWPI, but we have the same number of writers and ALJs. That’s a math problem, plain and simple.
I actually had a chance to ask someone from TPTB once about how they came up with the 500 number. There was a lot of hemming and hawing and “well we’ve found this is what most people can do” and the like. But bottom line is that there was no real data to show how long a case takes. The answer was basically a long-winded ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 19:27:01 GMT -5
Writer cadre not the problem. I hear they have new metric requiring even more decisions to be pumped out.
This is what happens when you push and hire all these ALJs and do not hire any of the staff that supports them
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Post by pumpkin on Sept 17, 2018 20:24:43 GMT -5
Is there any truth to the rumor that TPTB will count your UNWR toward the 500 mark?
If so, @odaralumni, you may already be there...
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Post by Thomas fka Lance on Sept 17, 2018 21:05:19 GMT -5
Aug 10, 2018 at 3:04pm luckylady2 said: My info is that UNWRs count, but there's a formula. You net the UNWR on the last day of the fiscal against the UNWR on the last day of the prior fiscal, minus 15. Don't know why the minus 15. Doesn't really make sense to me.
I do not know how to do this properly (obviously) but here is the "formula" previously cited.
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Post by hamster on Sept 17, 2018 21:20:09 GMT -5
Who cares what the Agency wants (speaking in my unofficial, unendorsed capacity)? The Agency wants 500. Have they ever justified that number? Explained why it makes sense? Studied that goal in a collegial, objective way? No, they have not. Loyalty is a two-way street. You want a reasonably-achievable number of timely, thoughtful, legally-sufficient, well-written decisions? Then you—the Agency—articulate why that means 500-700 dispositions per year...and not 300. Put up—or shut up.
Very respectfully and inquiringly,
Hamster
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Post by hopefalj on Sept 17, 2018 21:21:17 GMT -5
Is there any truth to the rumor that TPTB will count your UNWR toward the 500 mark? If so, @odaralumni, you may already be there... I can only speak to my office and my region, but that's what we've been told. I haven't heard the complicated formula being used, but that doesn't mean it won't be. Sounds like odaralumni's office doesn't have DOUTs, which is good and bad. I fear what might happen to our writing with the new DWPI requirement.
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Post by jonsprag1 on Sept 17, 2018 23:56:08 GMT -5
Is there any truth to the rumor that TPTB will count your UNWR toward the 500 mark? If so, @odaralumni , you may already be there... That’s my understanding
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 5:17:15 GMT -5
So the Agency wants 500. They push as much as possible even if informally. So many of us work hard at doing the best we can in the three hours alloted per case. But here is the rub, i am at 460, have over 80 in UNWR have seven in DWPC and may get a few more favorables but not going to get the 40 needed to make the magic number. Next year i do not want to hear any pushing to hurry up if you are not going to have the ability to write them. I will be one of the 70 percent who did not make the goal but not because of my lack of trying Bench Decisions. Every FF case you have between now and Sept 30th should be a bench decision. If you can do 30, plus the other 10 you get from the writers, you’ll be in the green. Baltimore loves numbers....
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Post by hal3000 on Sept 18, 2018 6:14:41 GMT -5
2 years ago the UNWR was not counted, but last year it was and we got letters with the total number of dispos. Our RCALJ told us a few months ago they would count again this year also.
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Post by maquereau on Sept 18, 2018 6:41:38 GMT -5
Is there any truth to the rumor that TPTB will count your UNWR toward the 500 mark? If so, @odaralumni, you may already be there... I can only speak to my office and my region, but that's what we've been told. I haven't heard the complicated formula being used, but that doesn't mean it won't be. Sounds like odaralumni's office doesn't have DOUTs, which is good and bad. I fear what might happen to our writing with the new DWPI requirement. Ha! You KNOW what will happen to our writing.
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Post by Pixie on Sept 18, 2018 8:02:43 GMT -5
As quantity goes up, quality goes down. And you know the Agency response: With the numbers we set for you, quality can remain the same. The only difference is, you will be more efficient in your job.
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Post by plinytheelder on Sept 18, 2018 8:42:27 GMT -5
The goal posts keep moving and after six federal agencies I am willing to say that the game is not sufficiently entertaining to continue.
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Post by lurkerbelow on Sept 18, 2018 9:11:16 GMT -5
My biggest concern is the new DWPi. I'd imagine some writers are considering retirement.
I hope management realizes this and how to cope. They are asking a lot.
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Post by plinytheelder on Sept 18, 2018 9:21:32 GMT -5
Or have already quit because the only reason they accepted the writing job was in a misguided hope of getting pulled off the now cancelled register.
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Post by hopefalj on Sept 18, 2018 12:04:52 GMT -5
I can only speak to my office and my region, but that's what we've been told. I haven't heard the complicated formula being used, but that doesn't mean it won't be. Sounds like odaralumni's office doesn't have DOUTs, which is good and bad. I fear what might happen to our writing with the new DWPI requirement. Ha! You KNOW what will happen to our writing. I do, but at the same time, it's hard to fault the writers if they become more efficient by having sparser analysis in their decisions. Not to sound overly dramatic, but if it's well-written decisions followed by going on a plan and potentially losing the job or writing quicker, less detailed decisions and not having to worry about making the mortgage/rent, I'm not going to judge them for becoming more "efficient." Maybe things won't change in your office given the reported level of writing there, although that's not necessarily a good thing. The pendulum has swung the other way for the time being. Looking forward to an increase in QRs in 2020-2021 with a greater emphasis on quality once the AC affirmation rate plummets below 80%. It has already started to drop in relation to cases written after the implementation of DWPI.
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Post by nylawyer on Sept 18, 2018 12:58:07 GMT -5
Or have already quit because the only reason they accepted the writing job was in a misguided hope of getting pulled off the now cancelled register. My interpretation of events would be that ultimately the elimination of the register will enhance the chances of a writer becoming an ALJ.
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Post by plinytheelder on Sept 18, 2018 15:16:19 GMT -5
See earlier “goal posts” comment. I am tired of playing. I am not taking my ball home.
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Post by phoenixrisingALJ on Sept 18, 2018 18:01:22 GMT -5
Or have already quit because the only reason they accepted the writing job was in a misguided hope of getting pulled off the now cancelled register. My interpretation of events would be that ultimately the elimination of the register will enhance the chances of a writer becoming an ALJ. Only those who are "favored" - so while yes this may help some - others - maybe not.
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