Expanded cert

[pm]

I could probably place this in an ongoing thread but thought it might be better to start over.

ODAR asked for an expanded cert because a combination of factors led to less than 3 candidates being available for some cities on the list after ODAR did some preliminary selections. ODAR is not asking for any new cities so the proper way to deal with this was to ask for an expanded cert.

While there may be someone who knows exactly when the offers will be made, most ODAR employees don't really know and are operating on what they heard last week or on rumors. ODAR could go ahead and make offers based on theiir preliminary choices but they will have more flexibility if they look at those on the expanded cert first, so they have apparently decided to wait until they have fully evaluated the new names.

[zia234]

RE:
[While there may be someone who knows exactly when the offers will be made, most ODAR employees don't really know and are operating on what they heard last week or on rumors[]

Just for the record, if you're suggesting I got any info from ODAR employees, my sources are not at ODAR, nor do I work for ODAR.

In any event, looks we may be waiting a little longer. No biggie.

[morgullord]

Transfers, retirements, NHC, or in combination thereof--those are the factors. They have long since been beaten to death.

[Propmaster]

This just begs my main question: are we June 16th letter people just fodder to enable them to hire the ones they already like in each city, or are we actually possibly up for a job? I assume those of us with low scores probably have no chance in this round if we are part of the expansion. But will there be any way to know?

[globalpanda]

Jun 22, 2008 20:32:26 GMT -5 Propmaster said:

This just begs my main question: are we June 16th letter people just fodder to enable them to hire the ones they already like in each city, or are we actually possibly up for a job? I assume those of us with low scores probably have no chance in this round if we are part of the expansion. But will there be any way to know?

Everybody on the cert has a chance. Think of it like this. Suppose they started off with the intent to hire 10 people and had 30 people on the cert. Then midway through the hire, they get the authority to hire 2 more. Since they already had 30 people to choose from, why would they request 6 more names unless they wanted expand their field of choice? They could simply have just hired 12 of the original 30 and saved a lot of time.

Of course, the only way you will really know is if they hire you.

[Propmaster]

Susan Martinelli confirmed that the hires that went out today are not including those that are on the expanded cert. June 16 people definitely still have some kind of chance, but I am not sure if this also extends to other people from the April cert (I assume it does, however, so don't give up, yet).

[jennifer]

So what cities are on the expanded cert & how many jobs are we talking about?

[notafed]

Jun 23, 2008 14:03:42 GMT -5 jennifer said:

So what cities are on the expanded cert & how many jobs are we talking about?

We figured out from a June 16 letter person who listed "all" that the cities are exactly the same as on the April Cert,

Absolutely no clue how many jobs....

[dazedandconfused]

For those of us on the expanded cert (anybody have an idea how many) are the 100 or so people who were not selected today now available for selection at the sites on the expanded cert? I have heard good arguments on both sides. Any hard facts or even weak conjecture accepted.

[dazedandconfused]

PF, I know you are down. Been there, done that. But for those of us still alive it makes a HUGE difference. If the April cert non-selectees are thrown back in the pool it is 100 or so people also in contention for a handful of additional expanded slots. As a low score person, it is the difference between a 1 in 3 or nothing.

[privateattorney]

I am inclined to agree with PF. As such, this is my last post. I wish you all well. I'm sure I would have enjoyed the pleasure of meeting you all, but it was not meant to be. Adios

[Propmaster]

Jun 23, 2008 18:18:32 GMT -5 privateattorney said:

I am inclined to agree with PF. As such, this is my last post. I wish you all well. I'm sure I would have enjoyed the pleasure of meeting you all, but it was not meant to be. Adios

I understand your frustration. Don't burn any bridges, though (I mean, I hope you didn't delete your profile or something) because there still might be a big hire before OPM gets around to populating a new list.

That said, I will pretty much give up when that happens.

[jazz]

I give up too. For whatever reason, I am not getting hired. My score is not high, but at 66, it is high enough that they could have reached me if they wanted. I see people with a lot lower scores getting offers. Congratulations to all who got offers. I am not wasting my time being filler for another cert.

[carjack]

I called the main number just a few minutes ago and was told that all offers had not gone out and that the April people were still in the mix.

[notherapp]

Anyone want to opine when offers re: expanded cert slots will be made? My guess is 7/11, since I have seen no evidence that those on the expanded cert had not previously been interviewed (and hence, pushing it back several weeks to take care of that chore).

[nonamouse]

Good grief. I cannot believe people are "giving up" after less than one year on the register. There are people who got hired from the previous register after waiting for more than five years. Just live your life without making this a central focus and check in periodically for info. There are plenty of people who would have been happy to make the register with any score as they got picked off initially for a technicality or later by not being invited to test.

[dazedandconfused]

The expanded cert notice I received from SSA on 6/16 states "if selected you will be notified in early July". I was kinda hoping that meant before July 4th, as lots of people are on vacation after.

Is it still the consensus that the 100 people or so (based on the just completed hire of approximately 50) not selected are still in contention for their remaining cities, along with the additional people from the expanded cert? Any good arguments against this?

[Propmaster]

Dazedandconfused:

I believe the semi-official word has been that no one is "out of play" for timing reasons (i.e. when they got on the cert), although obviously some people are simply undesirable (hopefully not me!).

I would love to think we will hear before the holiday, but I tend to doubt it. I would think that probably some people have chosen their vacations this week, and they will probably do it on a Monday like the last ones. Maybe next Monday?

I'm slightly less excited than I was yesterday. I just found out my two top cities are out of contention, and I think at least two others are, as well, leaving me one I like and one I would take, but can't figure out for the life of me why I put it on my list.

[privateatty]

Jul 1, 2008 14:51:55 GMT -5 nonamouse said:

Good grief. I cannot believe people are "giving up" after less than one year on the register. There are people who got hired from the previous register after waiting for more than five years. Just live your life without making this a central focus and check in periodically for info. There are plenty of people who would have been happy to make the register with any score as they got picked off initially for a technicality or later by not being invited to test.

Some folks understandably are having trouble dealing with all of this. There is a HUGE difference being in the private vs. public sector in terms of practical, logistical, financial and metaphysical considerations. I have always felt like Alice looking in on all of this...so everyone has their threshold. We all have different stories.

[carjack]

DNC:

You say you heard 2 of your cities were knocked out? How do you know? Is there a list of cities where offers have been accepted somewhere?