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Post by flimflambimbam on Jul 10, 2019 9:23:53 GMT -5
I'm sure this has been answered before, but how much time does SSA typically give candidates to accept an ALJ offer?
Thanks
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Post by fowlfinder on Jul 10, 2019 9:27:55 GMT -5
I'm sure this has been answered before, but how much time does SSA typically give candidates to accept an ALJ offer? Thanks In the past it has been 24 hours. |
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Post by flimflambimbam on Jul 10, 2019 9:32:03 GMT -5
Holy Moly!
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Post by Pixie on Jul 10, 2019 12:56:27 GMT -5
At this stage in your candidate career there should be no decision making as to whether to accept the offer. All of that should have been decided months ago when you told the Agency where you would be willing to go. Absent some change in circumstances, that decision should still stand. If there has been a change in circumstance, that should have been worked through during the intervening months. Now all that is left is to say yes, and that can be said without even thinking about it. Pixie
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Post by arkstfan on Jul 10, 2019 14:06:40 GMT -5
At this stage in your candidate career there should be no decision making as to whether to accept the offer. All of that should have been decided months ago when you told the Agency where you would be willing to go. Absent some change in circumstances, that decision should still stand. If there has been a change in circumstance, that should have been worked through during the intervening months. Now all that is left is to say yes, and that can be said without even thinking about it. Pixie Agree and if you want, you can do what I did. I accepted and then said oh where is it? |
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Post by 71stretch on Jul 10, 2019 14:32:58 GMT -5
At this stage in your candidate career there should be no decision making as to whether to accept the offer. All of that should have been decided months ago when you told the Agency where you would be willing to go. Absent some change in circumstances, that decision should still stand. If there has been a change in circumstance, that should have been worked through during the intervening months. Now all that is left is to say yes, and that can be said without even thinking about it. Pixie Agree and if you want, you can do what I did. I accepted and then said oh where is it? In the "old days" many people reported accepting as soon as the caller identified himself or herself.  |
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Post by Pixie on Jul 10, 2019 14:40:38 GMT -5
At this stage in your candidate career there should be no decision making as to whether to accept the offer. All of that should have been decided months ago when you told the Agency where you would be willing to go. Absent some change in circumstances, that decision should still stand. If there has been a change in circumstance, that should have been worked through during the intervening months. Now all that is left is to say yes, and that can be said without even thinking about it. Pixie Agree and if you want, you can do what I did. I accepted and then said oh where is it? That's exactly what I said. I was in play for two or three locations and was just happy to get the call. Pixie |
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Post by dshawn on Jul 10, 2019 15:07:08 GMT -5
I know it is not SSA, but the boss (read:wife) and I had worked this all out prior. She was convinced I would get an offer. Knowing the competition here, I was not. We prepared for best case scenario. My exact words were, “where am I going” and “can I send you flowers or candy?” The person on the other end chuckled and reminded me she could not accept gifts. I knew and acknowledged this, but noted that didn’t mean she didn’t deserve them. I agree with Pixie. So many people want this job you owe it to them, but more importantly, to yourself and family, to know whether you are truly ready, willing, and able to accept well prior to “getting the call.” |
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Post by foghorn on Jul 10, 2019 15:24:53 GMT -5
I know it is not SSA, but the boss (read:wife) and I had worked this all out prior. She was convinced I would get an offer. Knowing the competition here, I was not. We prepared for best case scenario. My exact words were, “where am I going” and “can I send you flowers or candy?” The person on the other end chuckled and reminded me she could not accept gifts. I knew and acknowledged this, but noted that didn’t mean she didn’t deserve them. I agree with Pixie . So many people want this job you owe it to them, but more importantly, to yourself and family, to know whether you are truly ready, willing, and able to accept well prior to “getting the call.” |
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Post by nylawyer on Jul 10, 2019 17:12:41 GMT -5
With the new hiring process and without the requirement to hire someone in top 3 at each location I wonder if they might give more than the 24 hours that was given in the past. After all, there is no reason they cant just decide whom they want and call them all- no one else's hiring hinges on anyone else.
Unless of course they wait until the absolute last second to make the calls.
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Post by foghorn on Jul 10, 2019 18:02:05 GMT -5
With the new hiring process and without the requirement to hire someone in top 3 at each location I wonder if they might give more than the 24 hours that was given in the past. After all, there is no reason they cant just decide whom they want and call them all- no one else's hiring hinges on anyone else. Unless of course they wait until the absolute last second to make the calls. |
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Post by nylawyer on Jul 10, 2019 18:44:45 GMT -5
With the new hiring process and without the requirement to hire someone in top 3 at each location I wonder if they might give more than the 24 hours that was given in the past. After all, there is no reason they cant just decide whom they want and call them all- no one else's hiring hinges on anyone else. Unless of course they wait until the absolute last second to make the calls. If there is no reason why the agency needs a rushed answer? Common courtesy comes to mind as a possible reason. Want a better one? Demanding an immediate answer increases the chance that someone will accept but ultimately back out at a time when it will be too late to get someone else to fill the spot. |
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Post by foghorn on Jul 10, 2019 19:14:56 GMT -5
From what I've heard their--and other agencies-- big concern is having taken their good time ruminating they don't want to extend an offer to someone who will leave or decide their spouse doesn't like it. They want someone who's all in from the get-go. "Send me to Mt Pleasant, I don't care." is the response they want.
Common courtesy might involve a more personal notification, but so far, in my book, DOJ gets the points for politeness. This is, after all, the practice of law, and courtesy isn't necessarily any more common than people worrying that you're not getting enough sleep, or whether their motion schedule will totally bleep up your family plans. We do have federal judges who claim to be "family oriented" and the next moment tell a colleague of mine (who'd warned them in advance that his wife was delivering the week they wanted to schedule trial) they could have 8 hours to visit the family following birth. Such generosity!
So if I don't seem shocked at their approach, I've seen much, much worse. Not to mention at this point in the process who has pride? I'm trained, flip me a sardine, even an anchovy, and I'll jump!
Maybe I should have a new persona: have gavel will grovel
sic transit gloria ego
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Post by dshawn on Jul 10, 2019 19:43:57 GMT -5
For what it is worth, OMHA provided 4 days. Didn’t need it.
I would add, while I cannot speak for all, they kept me apprised of major events throughout the application process, timely notified of interview and testing with sufficient time to schedule flights, gave a heads up on contacting my references, responded in a timely fashion to all email inquiries and, so far, have been quite efficient and helpful in working through the mountain of on-boarding stuff.
I know, I know, easy to say since I got an offer. On the flip side, I have no obligation to say it for the same reason.
IMHO the OMHA process was better than almost all job application processes in my years in the working world. To say that everyone at HR has been amazing to date would be understatement. YMMV.
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Post by recoveringalj on Jul 10, 2019 21:08:57 GMT -5
I’m not sure I understand all this “accept on the spot or else” talk. 24-hours to consider a job offer seems to be one of the last professional courtesies provided by SSA (and minimal at that). And letting such a serious decision breath for 24 hours seems like a good rule of thumb in general. Perhaps those that are able to resist the urge to accept on the spot a location that might not be the best fit for them (especially in light of the possible changes to the transfer rule) shows self control and emotional maturity, attributes that should be valued in an ALJ?
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Post by dshawn on Jul 10, 2019 21:37:00 GMT -5
And working through all the permutations and contingencies prior, for a position that should come as no surprise since one signed up for it, shows a lack of self-control and immaturity?
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Post by recoveringalj on Jul 10, 2019 21:58:06 GMT -5
And working through all the permutations and contingencies prior, for a position that should come as no surprise since one signed up for it, shows a lack of self-control and immaturity? I did not suggest that, and I’m not sure why someone would jump to that conclusion. I would think that is prudent, but I’m not sure why one would feel compelled to pressure others to forfeit the time allowed to to them to consider an offer and consult with loved ones and trusted advisors if needed. |
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Post by aljnoobie on Jul 10, 2019 22:14:05 GMT -5
For what it is worth, OMHA provided 4 days. Didn’t need it. I would add, while I cannot speak for all, they kept me apprised of major events throughout the application process, timely notified of interview and testing with sufficient time to schedule flights, gave a heads up on contacting my references, responded in a timely fashion to all email inquiries and, so far, have been quite efficient and helpful in working through the mountain of on-boarding stuff. I know, I know, easy to say since I got an offer. On the flip side, I have no obligation to say it for the same reason. IMHO the OMHA process was better than almost all job application processes in my years in the working world. To say that everyone at HR has been amazing to date would be understatement. YMMV. Agreed and ditto - total class act to date. |
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Post by jagvet on Jul 10, 2019 23:19:38 GMT -5
The problem for me was not the 24 hours. I said yes. The problem is fairness to your current employer. Even if you hate your soon-to-end job, quite often the few people you like there will have to scramble because you didn't give them a lot of notice. Talk about burning bridges!
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Post by Pixie on Jul 11, 2019 6:44:51 GMT -5
In the past it has been 24 hours. is correct. In the past, it was explicitly stated in the cert email that you would have 24 hours to respond to the offer. One of the main reasons for the short turnaround time was that the next offer(s) were sometimes contingent on the acceptance/rejection of the offer currently being considered by the applicant. So, because the hiring process came to a halt every time an applicant wanted to take their allotted and deserved 24 hours, it became less of personal decision and more of a group debate about whether or not you should be prepared to say yes on the call. Even more so in cases where the agency was up against the end of the FY. I believe in 2016 the agency did not make as many offers as it wanted because more applicants than the agency took the permitted 24 hours. In the current process, I don’t recall seeing anything in writing that explicitly requires a response in 24 hours. Because the offers should not be contingent on each other, it’s very possible that more time could be allotted. In the recent past (maybe 10 to 15 years), if a selectee declined an offer, the location she was offered wouldn't be filled during that cycle of hiring. In other words, there was no alternate candidate who would be offered the same location if the original selectee declined. May have been different in the past, but I doubt it. Pixie |
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