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Post by Pixie on Feb 9, 2022 10:28:20 GMT -5
Alito did his UG at Princeton, too. Alito was a non-scholarship ROTC cadet at Princeton and served as an Army Reserve Signal Corps officer for four years. He qualifies as a veteran even though he did not accrue benefits. I'd like to see more veterans nominated, but it doesn't seem to matter to POTUSes of either party. Yes, all Army enlisted and officers go to basic training.* Doesn't make any difference if the officer is Academy, ROTC or OCS. They all go to basic training. The training is conducted in different locations for the different paths to a commission, but it is all the same training.
In the Marine Corps, and I think in the Army as well, once a trainee finishes basic training, he or she is considered to be a Marine or a Soldier and obtains veteran status. The Navy probably has the same protocol, but who knows about the Air Force. Their basic training, if it can be called that, is sorta like the military but more like kindergarten. Pixie _____ * Not sure about medical corps officers who may have a different track. |
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Post by tom b on Feb 9, 2022 11:04:10 GMT -5
Pixie's wry observations tempt one to be unkind about the Air Force. I'll avoid the temptation.
I am not entirely sure what Pixie means by "basic training." In the Navy, at least, Academy graduates go straight from the school to "platform" training for want of a better term. The aviators do not, for example, go through AOCS (the commissioning pipeline for people "off the street") on their way to flight school; they just go to flight school. The surface warfare officers go to SWOS Division Officers Course. Submarine officers go to Basic Officer Submarine School. Restricted line and special duty (intel; crypto; names for others escape me) go to schools where they learn the rudiments of the communities.
Judge Advocates, Doctors, Dentists, Nurses, and Medical Service Corps go to Officer Indoctrination School (the name has changed, I think), and they go as commissioned officers. Nurses and MSC enter as ensigns, the rest as either lieutenants (junior grade) or lieutenants. Non-academy and non-ROTC persons seeking a commission go to Officer Candidates School (where they are actually enlisted for pay and allowance purposes; their service qualifies them as veterans and allows them to become members of the Fleet Reserve Association, a group open only to those who at some point were enlisted) and, upon graduation, are commissioned. They then go for skills training. OCS takes all manner of folks -- civil engineers, supply officers, surface warfare officers, submarine candidates. Intel officers have to go to AOCS, not OCS, as they often go first to squadrons. Chaplains have a school of their own that is overseen by Marine gunnery sergeants. Chaplains enter as commissioned officers as well.
In the Marine Corps, every officer goes to The Basic School after commissioning. Quantico is lovely during August especially.
For military justice purposes, midshipmen (USNA), cadets (USMA; USAFA; USCGA), and "aviation cadets" are treated as officers for punishment; that is, they are punitively discharged with a dismissal (and only at a General Court-Martial).
Of course, things might have changed in the 36 years since I was commissioned and in the 8 since I retired. I can say, having seen some of them, that today's Sailors are not quite as fit as my generation.
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Post by fowlfinder on Feb 9, 2022 11:18:14 GMT -5
Alito was a non-scholarship ROTC cadet at Princeton and served as an Army Reserve Signal Corps officer for four years. He qualifies as a veteran even though he did not accrue benefits. I'd like to see more veterans nominated, but it doesn't seem to matter to POTUSes of either party. Yes, all Army enlisted and officers go to basic training.* Doesn't make any difference if the officer is Academy, ROTC or OCS. They all go to basic training. The training is conducted in different locations for the different paths to a commission, but it is all the same training.
In the Marine Corps, and I think in the Army as well, once a trainee finishes basic training, he or she is considered to be a Marine or a Soldier and obtains veteran status. The Navy probably has the same protocol, but who knows about the Air Force. Their basic training, if it can be called that, is sorta like the military but more like kindergarten. Pixie _____ * Not sure about medical corps officers who may have a different track.I can't say 100% certain about all of the Army medical corp. but the dentists (my brother having been an Army dentist) go through OCS, which sounded to me a lot like "nice" version of basic training. (land nav, PT, rifle range, etc). Same stuff but with a kinder tone. |
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Post by FrogEsq on Feb 9, 2022 13:26:01 GMT -5
Yes, all Army enlisted and officers go to basic training.* Doesn't make any difference if the officer is Academy, ROTC or OCS. They all go to basic training. The training is conducted in different locations for the different paths to a commission, but it is all the same training.
In the Marine Corps, and I think in the Army as well, once a trainee finishes basic training, he or she is considered to be a Marine or a Soldier and obtains veteran status. The Navy probably has the same protocol, but who knows about the Air Force. Their basic training, if it can be called that, is sorta like the military but more like kindergarten. Pixie _____ * Not sure about medical corps officers who may have a different track.I can't say 100% certain about all of the Army medical corp. but the dentists (my brother having been an Army dentist) go through OCS, which sounded to me a lot like "nice" version of basic training. (land nav, PT, rifle range, etc). Same stuff but with a kinder tone. Basic without the yelling. What fun is that? Sure, it sucks when you are the one standing braced with a TI screaming 5 inches from your ear. But, it is MUCH more entertaining when it happens to someone else! |
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Post by Gaidin on Feb 12, 2022 12:57:46 GMT -5
I can't say 100% certain about all of the Army medical corp. but the dentists (my brother having been an Army dentist) go through OCS, which sounded to me a lot like "nice" version of basic training. (land nav, PT, rifle range, etc). Same stuff but with a kinder tone. Basic without the yelling. What fun is that? Sure, it sucks when you are the one standing braced with a TI screaming 5 inches from your ear. But, it is MUCH more entertaining when it happens to someone else! I always found it far more frightening when the Drill Sergeant leaned into my ear and whispered but maybe they treat officers with softer gloves. 30 years later I can still hear Drill Sergeant Ruffin's whispered voice asking me why I can't stay in step. Excuse me I need to go curl up in a ball on the floor. |
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Post by Deo Volente on Feb 14, 2022 23:06:36 GMT -5
Alito was a non-scholarship ROTC cadet at Princeton and served as an Army Reserve Signal Corps officer for four years. He qualifies as a veteran even though he did not accrue benefits. I'd like to see more veterans nominated, but it doesn't seem to matter to POTUSes of either party. Yes, all Army enlisted and officers go to basic training.* Doesn't make any difference if the officer is Academy, ROTC or OCS. They all go to basic training. The training is conducted in different locations for the different paths to a commission, but it is all the same training.
In the Marine Corps, and I think in the Army as well, once a trainee finishes basic training, he or she is considered to be a Marine or a Soldier and obtains veteran status. The Navy probably has the same protocol, but who knows about the Air Force. Their basic training, if it can be called that, is sorta like the military but more like kindergarten. Pixie _____ * Not sure about medical corps officers who may have a different track. I wouldn't take anything away from anyone that volunteers to join the military. Whether it is the AF, Army, Navy, Army or Coast Guard, they all took an oath to defend and protect the Constitution and make the ultimate sacrifice for their country. Yes, some services are much more in the trenches than others but they all have a mission and serve selflessly. They all have sacrificed - some more than others - but all have had to miss birthdays, anniversaries, holidays, vacation and seeing their kids walk for the first time because they were serving their country. While I understand the interservice rivalry and interservice poking, let's not forget that when the smoke signal is sent, all will report and and do their duty to the best of their ability and for love of country. |
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Post by superalj on Jun 24, 2022 17:30:44 GMT -5
It seems that the APA will be on the chopping block when SCOTUS gets around to it. Sad day for the Constitution.
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Post by ssaogc on Jun 24, 2022 19:38:44 GMT -5
It seems that the APA will be on the chopping block when SCOTUS gets around to it. Sad day for the Constitution. I agree, anything is game these days, the administrative state is subject to destruction, I am glad I am not far from retirement if it happens. Those folks should not wear black robes. |
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Post by karenmtlaw on Jul 18, 2022 8:44:57 GMT -5
Of course, things might have changed in the 36 years since I was commissioned and in the 8 since I retired. I can say, having seen some of them, that today's Sailors are not quite as fit as my generation.
Respectfully, Tom B
Apparently, only 23% of today's young men and women are even qualified to join the service, due to mental health issues, criminal records, lack of requisite education, among other disqualifications. (May 5, 2022 Army posture Hearing with the Senate Committee on Armed Services). And the military keeps reducing all of its standards (especially for men), to be able to attempt to recruit more military members, IMO. |
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