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Post by shoocat on Apr 27, 2022 14:17:17 GMT -5
I found the following from the announcement quite interesting: 15) evaluate the credibility of witnesses, and resolve conflicts in lay and expert evidence; Since when have we gone back to evaluating credibility and not consistency with the record as a whole? I thought "credibility" was a bad word? Someone in HR wrote it, they might not follow changes in the law and just adapted an old vacancy announcement. But you would think someone who knew what the standards were, like the selecting official, would have looked at it before it went live. |
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Post by nylawyer on Apr 27, 2022 14:22:23 GMT -5
Someone in HR wrote it, they might not follow changes in the law and just adapted an old vacancy announcement. But you would think someone who knew what the standards were, like the selecting official, would have looked at it before it went live. Probably it was cut and pasted from something else. Then it slipped through because who in their right mind would think that evaluating the credibility of the testimony of the witness wasn't a part of the job. |
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Post by rocco1 on Apr 27, 2022 14:23:28 GMT -5
Does a state court judge who was also was an alj have any chance for an interview or is it a waste of time to apply and take one of those 1000 slots?
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Post by Gaidin on Apr 27, 2022 14:26:59 GMT -5
Does a state court judge who was also was an alj have any chance for an interview or is it a waste of time to apply and take one of those 1000 slots? There was at least one state court judge and one state ALJ in my hiring class. So I don't see why they wouldn't. Folks in the immortal words of the poet Marshall Mathers, III Look If you had One shot Or one opportunity To seize everything you ever wanted In one moment Would you capture it Or just let it slip? |
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Post by dshawn on Apr 27, 2022 14:45:34 GMT -5
Some observations. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Appear to be covering relocation expenses.
No mention of need for a cover letter or writing sample.
Interviews are to be held remotely.
While the documentation does not seem to call for a cover letter, it is referenced subsequently in the verbiage.
The first question on location appears to only ask for your top spot. Later it asks for the places you are willing to go. It would seem the first question is looking for one only (but the system does allow you to enter multiple).
Anyone disagree with these observations or see any major differences from the last go-round that I missed?
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Post by Gaidin on Apr 27, 2022 14:53:58 GMT -5
Some observations. Please correct me if I am wrong. Appear to be covering relocation expenses. No mention of need for a cover letter or writing sample. Interviews are to be held remotely. While the documentation does not seem to call for a cover letter, it is referenced subsequently in the verbiage. The first question on location appears to only ask for your top spot. Later it asks for the places you are willing to go. It would seem the first question is looking for one only (but the system does allow you to enter multiple). Anyone disagree with these observations or see any major differences from the last go-round that I missed? What makes you think they're offering relocation benefits. I may have missed it because I only skimmed it but they don't usually offer relocation to non-feds. |
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Post by coleslawyer on Apr 27, 2022 14:56:35 GMT -5
I've been eyeing the postings for a while and it seems this came a touch too soon. I know the requirement says that the job has a requisite 7 years of experience, but I'm a bit short of that. How long does the application process tend to take and would it be reasonable to expect that they would consider someone who would hit the 7 year mark during the hiring process but not at the time of application? I don't want to take an application slot from someone else, but I'd hate to miss a chance to apply and then see another drought like the one we just came out of.
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Post by FrogEsq on Apr 27, 2022 15:01:34 GMT -5
Good luck to everyone applying. Delay not!
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Post by garlow on Apr 27, 2022 15:09:40 GMT -5
what is the rumor mill say about who they actually want to hire, and how many are they hiring? do they only want internal decision writers/internal superstars who are excellent and know the material? does an external candidate working in a different area of Admin. law, have any real chance?
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Post by cielo on Apr 27, 2022 15:16:07 GMT -5
I've been eyeing the postings for a while and it seems this came a touch too soon. I know the requirement says that the job has a requisite 7 years of experience, but I'm a bit short of that. How long does the application process tend to take and would it be reasonable to expect that they would consider someone who would hit the 7 year mark during the hiring process but not at the time of application? I don't want to take an application slot from someone else, but I'd hate to miss a chance to apply and then see another drought like the one we just came out of. I believe all experience requirements have to be met as of the date of closing of the announcement. It should mention that in the job announcement. |
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Post by tomz on Apr 27, 2022 15:21:24 GMT -5
Yes, I was a state ALJ when I was hired and I went to an office with an ALJ who was a state judge hired by SSA the year before. In training, a good # of ex-writers as well as ex-litigators and ALJs from different areas.
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Post by bellaluna on Apr 27, 2022 15:22:03 GMT -5
I've been eyeing the postings for a while and it seems this came a touch too soon. I know the requirement says that the job has a requisite 7 years of experience, but I'm a bit short of that. How long does the application process tend to take and would it be reasonable to expect that they would consider someone who would hit the 7 year mark during the hiring process but not at the time of application? I don't want to take an application slot from someone else, but I'd hate to miss a chance to apply and then see another drought like the one we just came out of. I would think it’s seven years as of the date of the application. Also, given what’s on the list as non-qualifying experience, I remember thinking when I applied that I wouldn’t have qualified only seven years after bar admission because I had done a lot of uncontested work. But, there were a few young lawyers in my class who only had around seven years. ETA: rumor is there will be another hire next year. This class is supposed to be selected by September 30. |
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Post by coleslawyer on Apr 27, 2022 15:23:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the speedy responses! I'm still hedging on applying since I'm close and spent some time before being licensed "preparing for" and "participating in" hearings. What's the worst that could happen, right? They shut me out at the initial stage of application?
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Post by Mister Atkins on Apr 27, 2022 15:30:29 GMT -5
Is it wrong to apply even though one knows there is only a very slim chance at selection, thus bumping someone else out of the 1,000 potential applicants? Nope. Get it! |
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Post by Pixie on Apr 27, 2022 15:53:18 GMT -5
what is the rumor mill say about who they actually want to hire, and how many are they hiring? do they only want internal decision writers/internal superstars who are excellent and know the material? does an external candidate working in a different area of Admin. law, and former state criminal law practitioner, have any real chance? Based on what I know of the desires of TPTB, I would say a snowball has as good of a chance. Pixie |
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Post by Prrple on Apr 27, 2022 15:55:17 GMT -5
Some observations. Please correct me if I am wrong. Appear to be covering relocation expenses. No mention of need for a cover letter or writing sample. Interviews are to be held remotely. While the documentation does not seem to call for a cover letter, it is referenced subsequently in the verbiage. The first question on location appears to only ask for your top spot. Later it asks for the places you are willing to go. It would seem the first question is looking for one only (but the system does allow you to enter multiple). Anyone disagree with these observations or see any major differences from the last go-round that I missed? What makes you think they're offering relocation benefits. I may have missed it because I only skimmed it but they don't usually offer relocation to non-feds. It says it in the posting |
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Post by phoenixrisingALJ on Apr 27, 2022 16:04:15 GMT -5
What makes you think they're offering relocation benefits. I may have missed it because I only skimmed it but they don't usually offer relocation to non-feds. It says it in the posting The exact language is “Relocation expenses MAY be authorized in accordance with agency policy.” Historically feds have gotten relo but non feds have not. Not sure what the current agency guidance is but I doubt it has expanded. |
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Post by dwesq on Apr 27, 2022 16:17:21 GMT -5
SSA has posted over 10 group soup positions in various offices in the last month. That means they plan on hiring lots of attorneys IMHO. Which means lots of judges. In a bunch of offices.
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Post by rp on Apr 27, 2022 16:28:38 GMT -5
Some observations. Please correct me if I am wrong. Appear to be covering relocation expenses. No mention of need for a cover letter or writing sample. Interviews are to be held remotely. While the documentation does not seem to call for a cover letter, it is referenced subsequently in the verbiage. The first question on location appears to only ask for your top spot. Later it asks for the places you are willing to go. It would seem the first question is looking for one only (but the system does allow you to enter multiple). Anyone disagree with these observations or see any major differences from the last go-round that I missed? What makes you think they're offering relocation benefits. I may have missed it because I only skimmed it but they don't usually offer relocation to non-feds. Agreed. Relocation will only be for those who are currently employed by the federal government. That is what is meant by “in accordance with Agency policy.” |
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Post by aa7 on Apr 27, 2022 16:30:31 GMT -5
I’m really wondering what will happen to the applications after 1000 received on the date the 1000th was received. While the language at the top of the listing with close when “we have received 1000 applications,” it later states that “This vacancy is limited to the first 1,000 applications received…”
So am I correct to conclude that application 1,001 received before the vacancy closes will not be considered?
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