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Post by Rabbit Bat Reindeer on Apr 29, 2022 9:43:38 GMT -5
The posting said it could be used for future hiring as well. So it’s possible (likely? I don’t know) this posting will be used for the rumored (larger) next hire in FY23. In that case, they had to keep the geographic locations open to account for a future hire and also because it’s probably not clear now where there will be the biggest need in November, December or later. I think it is not only likely, but it is a sure thing that this posting will be used in the future. Oh yeah, I think this might be the only bite at the apple for quite some time although "for as long as the Agency makes selections pursuant to this announcement" could really mean anything they want. They may just get to a point where the applicants just aren't good fits anywhere and open it back up again.
Locations: The locations identified in this vacancy announcement include locations where the Agency anticipates vacancies for this position for as long as the Agency makes selections pursuant to this announcement. The Agency may continue to make selections pursuant to this announcement in multiple applicant-review cycles for various geographic locations. Not every geographic location listed above will be considered during each applicant-review cycle. When applicants select a city with multiple office locations, they will be considered for both locations. |
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Post by magisterludi on Apr 29, 2022 9:57:31 GMT -5
ALJ hire was not a merit promotion from the OHO SAA/AA position when AWT was spawned
If memory serves me correctly, the closest OHO ever came to encouraging OHO attorneys to apply to be ALJs was to let everyone know liberal leave was in effect for attorneys attempting to complete the application
Applications were on your own time
The initial testing and structured interviews were OPM and on your own time
Once you made the register- SSA interviews were on agency time, but non-SSA interviews were on your own time
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Post by trp888 on Apr 29, 2022 10:50:35 GMT -5
what is the rumor mill say about who they actually want to hire, and how many are they hiring? do they only want internal decision writers/internal superstars who are excellent and know the material? does an external candidate working in a different area of Admin. law, and former state criminal law practitioner, have any real chance? Based on what I know of the desires of TPTB, I would say a snowball has as good of a chance. Pixie …… so you’re saying there’s a chance!!!! 🤣🤣 |
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Post by trp888 on Apr 29, 2022 10:55:45 GMT -5
The closing date on the announcement has been updated to April 27, so presumably the 1000 application mark has been hit. Owl posted at 10:30 Eastern (9:30 Central) that the closing date had updated. I don't think it had updated by 9:00 ET, or even 10:00 ET, or someone would have pointed out the change at that time. If anyone remembers things differently, please let me know, as this may be an important time to nail down! Explanatory note. I'm on Central time (Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) - 5 hours), and Owl's post says 9:30 for me. Happy Friday everyone. My bad I mixed up the times - 10:30pm EST (7:30 PST) was that posting (I’ll go edit it so it’s not confusing)…. Another poster on the other thread noted the change to April 27 @11:23pm , but that’s a full hour later. Unless someone says they literally saw the closing date change before their eyes we can only have a general guess of sometime around 10:30pm EST (- who knows how long). |
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Post by nylawyer on Apr 29, 2022 11:33:02 GMT -5
Owl posted at 10:30 Eastern (9:30 Central) that the closing date had updated. I don't think it had updated by 9:00 ET, or even 10:00 ET, or someone would have pointed out the change at that time. If anyone remembers things differently, please let me know, as this may be an important time to nail down! Explanatory note. I'm on Central time (Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) - 5 hours), and Owl's post says 9:30 for me. Happy Friday everyone. My bad I mixed up the times - 10:30pm EST (7:30 PST) was that posting (I’ll go edit it so it’s not confusing)…. Another poster on the other thread noted the change to April 27 @11:23pm , but that’s a full hour later. Unless someone says they literally saw the closing date change before their eyes we can only have a general guess of sometime around 10:30pm EST (- who knows how long). Does anyone know whether there is a setting that allows USA jobs to automatically change at the time the 1000th application is submitted? If not, then all we really know is that by 10:30 PM at the latest it closed. It could actually have been hours earlier, but no one had bothered to make the change. Has anyone who submitted an application after 10:30 received an email confirming they were too late and not being considered? That's when we will truly get a sense of (1) whether they accepted all applications that came in that day, and (2) if not, around what time was too late. |
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Post by mbd on Apr 29, 2022 11:42:27 GMT -5
My bad I mixed up the times - 10:30pm EST (7:30 PST) was that posting (I’ll go edit it so it’s not confusing)…. Another poster on the other thread noted the change to April 27 @11:23pm , but that’s a full hour later. Unless someone says they literally saw the closing date change before their eyes we can only have a general guess of sometime around 10:30pm EST (- who knows how long). Does anyone know whether there is a setting that allows USA jobs to automatically change at the time the 1000th application is submitted? If not, then all we really know is that by 10:30 PM at the latest it closed. It could actually have been hours earlier, but no one had bothered to make the change. Has anyone who submitted an application after 10:30 received an email confirming they were too late and not being considered? That's when we will truly get a sense of (1) whether they accepted all applications that came in that day, and (2) if not, around what time was too late. No. The email we got after this time indicates that our applications were received. And our application status on USA Jobs is “applied.” |
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Post by ARobeByAnyOtherName on May 2, 2022 14:17:34 GMT -5
Does anyone know whether there is a setting that allows USA jobs to automatically change at the time the 1000th application is submitted? If not, then all we really know is that by 10:30 PM at the latest it closed. It could actually have been hours earlier, but no one had bothered to make the change. Has anyone who submitted an application after 10:30 received an email confirming they were too late and not being considered? That's when we will truly get a sense of (1) whether they accepted all applications that came in that day, and (2) if not, around what time was too late. No. The email we got after this time indicates that our applications were received. And our application status on USA Jobs is “applied.” I submitted my application at 8:54 pm EDT and my confirmation email said “Open Period: 04/27/2022 - 05/03/2022“ Did others who submitted later get a confirmation email with a 04/27/2022-04/27/2022 open period? Of note, my application status on USA Jobs is different, and I’ll be taking that discussion over to the appropriate thread. |
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Post by mbd on May 2, 2022 15:07:06 GMT -5
No. The email we got after this time indicates that our applications were received. And our application status on USA Jobs is “applied.” I submitted my application at 8:54 pm EDT and my confirmation email said “Open Period: 04/27/2022 - 05/03/2022“ Did others who submitted later get a confirmation email with a 04/27/2022-04/27/2022 open period? Of note, my application status on USA Jobs is different, and I’ll be taking that discussion over to the appropriate thread. Yes. The confirmation email lists a 04/27/2022 - 04/27/2022 open period. |
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Post by sunnyliz on May 2, 2022 17:33:43 GMT -5
I submitted my application at 8:54 pm EDT and my confirmation email said “Open Period: 04/27/2022 - 05/03/2022“ Did others who submitted later get a confirmation email with a 04/27/2022-04/27/2022 open period? Of note, my application status on USA Jobs is different, and I’ll be taking that discussion over to the appropriate thread. Yes. The confirmation email lists a 04/27/2022 - 04/27/2022 open period. My application confirmation email was at 9:39 pm ET, and indicated "Open Period: 04/27/2022 - 05/03/2022" |
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Post by rockey on May 2, 2022 22:14:11 GMT -5
As the announcement stated (and still states) that it was to close at 11:59 p.m. on the date 1,000 applications were received, I am incredibly annoyed that it was closed earlier than 11:59 p.m.
When I saw the announcement earlier today and it was still open, I believed that I had a few hours after work in California to submit an application. I relied on the accuracy of the information in the announcement and kept working instead of filling out an application. Now that I have arrived home, I discover that the application has closed hours earlier than the time listed on the announcement.
In all seriousness, what does the SSA gain by chopping a few hours off the time the announcement was supposed to close? This is completely ridiculous.
I don’t need any sympathy because I’m a disabled vet and can open this register as I have done in the past. But SSA has really screwed all the people who planned to submit applications tonight, but will not be able to do so.
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Post by Pixie on May 2, 2022 23:20:11 GMT -5
As the announcement stated (and still states) that it was to close at 11:59 p.m. on the date 1,000 applications were received, I am incredibly annoyed that it was closed earlier than 11:59 p.m. When I saw the announcement earlier today and it was still open, I believed that I had a few hours after work in California to submit an application. I relied on the accuracy of the information in the announcement and kept working instead of filling out an application. Now that I have arrived home, I discover that the application has closed hours earlier than the time listed on the announcement. In all seriousness, what does the SSA gain by chopping a few hours off the time the announcement was supposed to close? This is completely ridiculous. I don’t need any sympathy because I’m a disabled vet and can open this register as I have done in the past. But SSA has really screwed all the people who planned to submit applications tonight, but will not be able to do so. It closed upon receipt of 1000 applications. I doubt that applications after 1000 will be considered. So, TPTB actually did you a favor and saved you the trouble of submitting an application. |
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Post by ssaogc on May 3, 2022 6:10:42 GMT -5
As the announcement stated (and still states) that it was to close at 11:59 p.m. on the date 1,000 applications were received, I am incredibly annoyed that it was closed earlier than 11:59 p.m. When I saw the announcement earlier today and it was still open, I believed that I had a few hours after work in California to submit an application. I relied on the accuracy of the information in the announcement and kept working instead of filling out an application. Now that I have arrived home, I discover that the application has closed hours earlier than the time listed on the announcement. In all seriousness, what does the SSA gain by chopping a few hours off the time the announcement was supposed to close? This is completely ridiculous. I don’t need any sympathy because I’m a disabled vet and can open this register as I have done in the past. But SSA has really screwed all the people who planned to submit applications tonight, but will not be able to do so. Rockey, unfortunately you do need sympathy. This was not a competitive job announcement, it is exempted from those procedures so as a disabled vet you cannot submit an application. That is only available for jobs that follow competitive procedures. Vet status under exempt job procedures only allow it to be considered a positive factor, no five or 10 points. also, there is no register to open. The register was used when OPM was in charge of the process and the process was competitive. |
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Post by rightspeech on May 3, 2022 6:30:12 GMT -5
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Post by natethegreat on May 3, 2022 7:47:49 GMT -5
As the announcement stated (and still states) that it was to close at 11:59 p.m. on the date 1,000 applications were received, I am incredibly annoyed that it was closed earlier than 11:59 p.m. When I saw the announcement earlier today and it was still open, I believed that I had a few hours after work in California to submit an application. I relied on the accuracy of the information in the announcement and kept working instead of filling out an application. Now that I have arrived home, I discover that the application has closed hours earlier than the time listed on the announcement. In all seriousness, what does the SSA gain by chopping a few hours off the time the announcement was supposed to close? This is completely ridiculous. I don’t need any sympathy because I’m a disabled vet and can open this register as I have done in the past. But SSA has really screwed all the people who planned to submit applications tonight, but will not be able to do so. Unfortunately, I believe it was 11:59pm Eastern. So 10:59pm Central, 9:59pm Mountain, & 8:59pm Pacific. |
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Post by Top Tier on May 3, 2022 7:55:55 GMT -5
As the announcement stated (and still states) that it was to close at 11:59 p.m. on the date 1,000 applications were received, I am incredibly annoyed that it was closed earlier than 11:59 p.m. It closed upon receipt of 1000 applications. I doubt that applications after 1000 will be considered. So, TPTB actually did you a favor and saved you the trouble of submitting an application. From usaJobs website: Applicant cut-off Some job announcements close when the hiring agency receives a certain number of applications. If the ‘cut-off’ number is reached during the day, the job announcement will usually close that night at midnight. For example, a job announcement may say it will close after the hiring agency receives 200 applications. If they receive 200 applications by 1:30 p.m. ET, the job will close that same day at 11:59 p.m. ET. www.usajobs.gov/Help/how-to/job-announcement/closing-types/ This seems to indicate that the "1000 applications" is just the cutoff number that simply triggers the closing of the announcement, and the applications received before the announcement closes are eligible to be considered. Otherwise, if an agency strictly intends to consider only the first 1000 applications, the announcement would need to close immediately upon receipt of that 1000th application, and not later at midnight that day. |
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Post by ssa on May 3, 2022 8:40:11 GMT -5
It closed upon receipt of 1000 applications. I doubt that applications after 1000 will be considered. So, TPTB actually did you a favor and saved you the trouble of submitting an application. From usaJobs website: Applicant cut-off Some job announcements close when the hiring agency receives a certain number of applications. If the ‘cut-off’ number is reached during the day, the job announcement will usually close that night at midnight. For example, a job announcement may say it will close after the hiring agency receives 200 applications. If they receive 200 applications by 1:30 p.m. ET, the job will close that same day at 11:59 p.m. ET. www.usajobs.gov/Help/how-to/job-announcement/closing-types/ This seems to indicate that the "1000 applications" is just the cutoff number that simply triggers the closing of the announcement, and the applications received before the announcement closes are eligible to be considered. Otherwise, if an agency strictly intends to consider only the first 1000 applications, the announcement would need to close immediately upon receipt of that 1000th application, and not later at midnight that day. All signs I’ve seen point to this as the correct interpretation. |
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Post by mrmojo on May 3, 2022 9:20:44 GMT -5
All signs I’ve seen point to this as the correct interpretation. I appreciate the optimism, but the posting says, "This vacancy is limited to the first 1,000 applications received," not "All applications received on the day we received at least 1,000 applications." |
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Post by ssa on May 3, 2022 9:42:38 GMT -5
All signs I’ve seen point to this as the correct interpretation. I appreciate the optimism, but the posting says, "This vacancy is limited to the first 1,000 applications received," not "All applications received on the day we received at least 1,000 applications." It also says it will close at midnight after receiving the 1000th application. They were able to modify the posting to show a 4/27 closing date at that point; they just as easily could have closed the posting all together and allowed no more submissions. We’ll know soon enough one way or the other, but I’m confident anyone who applied by 11:59 p.m. ET will be considered. |
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Post by dwesq on May 3, 2022 9:54:04 GMT -5
If I recall correctly back when the NCAC was hiring them in droves, they said the posting also used numbered cutoffs and they did not review applications submitted after the numbered cutoff (I think it was 500). Regardless of when the USAjobs posting actually closed.
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Post by trp888 on May 3, 2022 13:17:20 GMT -5
If I recall correctly back when the NCAC was hiring them in droves, they said the posting also used numbered cutoffs and they did not review applications submitted after the numbered cutoff (I think it was 500). Regardless of when the USAjobs posting actually closed. For what it’s worth when SSA hired drives off attorneys back in 2010/2011 they also had a 200 applicant max per announcement that was adhered to. |
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