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Post by sgl on Sept 11, 2008 1:45:12 GMT -5
The application aspect of the hiring process is the big gamble. If you take an ODAR insider like me, I probably maxed out with my score of 67+ when you compare my score to others with my same general legal career path, but with significantly greater experience. I knew of people with much greater experience than me who actually scored below me. Was it my application responses, the written exam, or the structured interview that got me a great score? Did the more qualified people screw up? I have no idea. I felt good about the interview and the exam. As everyone on this board can tell you, only OPM knows! Unless someone files a FOIA to see the actual grading of their application, exam, and interview, we can only guess. On the other hand, we know that ODAR will look beyond the arbitrary scores to select the most qualified candidates on the certificate, as they should. Reports from the training cadre suggest that this year's classes have been superior to any others they have seen. Aren't agency internal personnel methods and decisions exempt from FOIA disclosure? |
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Post by jagghagg on Sept 11, 2008 5:11:34 GMT -5
Aren't agency internal personnel methods and decisions exempt from FOIA disclosure? No. They are not. Taxpayer money is taxpayer money and if taxpayer money is part of or affected by the "internal method" or internal "decision" then it is discoverable via FOIA. (Subject to redaction, of course, to protect the PPI of individuals.) |
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Post by nightowl on Sept 11, 2008 23:34:49 GMT -5
The hiring game is the same every where. I worked for a state agency and was involved with the hiring process there. If you are an insider, it's either a positive or a negative depending on your job performance and how you fit into the agency. Insiders should not take anything for granted, because there are no guarantees. Insiders who are perceived negatively in some manner will have a high bar to cross. Let's face it, employers want to promote good employees. If you are an outsider, you better be able to sell yourself at the interview because you are an unknown quantity and the employer wants to be sure you will get the job done and fit in at the workplace. BTW, some people think they are great employees when mgt. believes otherwise. Good luck to everyone!
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Post by jandea on Sept 12, 2008 9:20:01 GMT -5
For What it is Worth
I have not seen a complete list of all new ALJs hired in 2008 so I can only give numbers from the first batch of hires annouced in March 2008. On April 8, 2008 a list of 140 names of recently hired administrative law judges for SSA were posted on the Social Security News website. I am an Agency employee and I immediately went through the SSA directory to identify current SSA attorneys who were lised as newly hired ALJs. This of course includes not just attorneys from the the Office of Disability Adjudication and Review (ODAR) hearing offices but also attorneys from Regional Offices, FEDRO, DDS, APPEALS COUNCIL AND HEADQUARTERS. Based on my albeit unscientific and perhaps slightly inacurate calcuations, there were 54 of those 140 who were currently in the SSA online e-mail directory. That would be roughly 39%.
I have no idea about the second batch of ALJ receiving offers from SSA or about the SSA Agency attorneys who accepted offers with other Agencies. If anyone is interested, of those 54 people from the original 140 who received offers in 2008, 31 were from ODAR hearing offices. Among those 31 from hearing offices, 4 were hearing office directors, 16 were senior attorneys and 6 were attorney advisers. (Please note, some of those 6 attorney advisers could have actually been senior attorneys and still listed in the agency e-mail directory as attorney advisers. That sometimes happens.)
If anyone has numbers greatly deviating from mine, please let me know. Also, if anyone has a list of the second batch of people receiving offers from SSA after April 8, 2008, I would be glad to expand the numbers to cover the entire list.
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Post by jandea on Sept 12, 2008 9:22:19 GMT -5
oops ! I forgot to mention the group supervisors from ODAR. Of the 31 from hearing offices, there were 5 group supervisors. jan
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