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Post by bagelone on Dec 1, 2022 11:34:08 GMT -5
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Post by ssaogc on Dec 1, 2022 18:36:11 GMT -5
Does this mean he is retiring?
What a puff piece. I am sure Terry would object to him taking credit for all of those accomplishments.
During the pandemic, I thought he had retired because there were two years that he went silent
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Post by linejudge17 on Dec 3, 2022 8:06:34 GMT -5
Being chief judge seems like a big job. Does anyone else remember another high level manager at SSA (or anywhere) who has gotten permission to run for a non-partisan office as an outside activity? Being an alderman is also a high level job. Could this mean a new chief judge is in our future?
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Post by bagelone on Dec 4, 2022 13:56:34 GMT -5
Can't think of anyone else running for public office. It just gets super tricky under the Standards of Conduct. Must've had OGC's designated ethics official sign off on running.
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Post by ssaogc on Dec 4, 2022 17:43:35 GMT -5
Can't think of anyone else running for public office. It just gets super tricky under the Standards of Conduct. Must've had OGC's designated ethics official sign off on running. The last administration proved that Standards of Conduct are optional. I chuckle when I get these e-mails about the Hatch Act when the WH Lawn was where the Party Nomination was accepted |
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Post by jagvet on Dec 4, 2022 22:27:54 GMT -5
I finally looked at Pat's campaign ad. Not good. I think he can ethically refer to his official position and "accomplishments" in a campaign for public office, but it is one of those things one should probably not do or he could end up going the way of the last commissioner.
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Post by bagelone on Dec 5, 2022 9:52:41 GMT -5
Don't all ALJs sign off on standards of conduct each year? Plus, Pat must be a deciding official on discipline, so he needs to keep his nose clean. References to official position and job accomplishments are tricky, let alone soliciting for campaign donations. What does the campaign do about subordinates donating? His wife is also an ALJ and involved/photographed on the campaign website.
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Post by linejudge17 on Dec 6, 2022 5:16:02 GMT -5
I can’t imagine Chief Judge Nagle would actually ask for campaign contributions from his colleagues. I think it’s worthwhile to point out to anyone considering an ALJ spot here or anywhere in the federal government, that you do have to get permission to engage in an outside activity, and certainly outside employment. The appearance of impropriety is always a critical part of the analysis for all ethics questions, and a regular line judge doesn’t supervise or make policy, so it’s possible you could still do your side hustle or activity if you become an ALJ. But you won’t be able to continue your practice of law.
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Post by jagvet on Dec 7, 2022 21:46:48 GMT -5
I guess CALJ is a 9-5 job. Plenty of time for City Council meetings.
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Post by arkstfan on Dec 7, 2022 22:53:45 GMT -5
How can we trust his accomplishments are real? For all we know he was manipulating cases status to make the numbers look good.
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Post by hopefalj on Dec 8, 2022 13:23:32 GMT -5
How can we trust his accomplishments are real? For all we know he was manipulating cases status to make the numbers look good. How dare you! He’s a professional! I will not stand for this! This kind of comment is as offensive and inflammatory as if you were to do something like accuse over 1,000 professionals who reduced a massive backlog of cases by over 50% of undermining the agency in an affidavit! Oh, wait… |
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Post by ssaogc on Dec 8, 2022 14:53:38 GMT -5
How can we trust his accomplishments are real? For all we know he was manipulating cases status to make the numbers look good. How dare you! He’s a professional! I will not stand for this! This kind of comment is as offensive and inflammatory as if you were to do something like accuse over 1,000 professionals who reduced a massive backlog of cases by over 50% of undermining the agency in an affidavit! Oh, wait… Lol made me chuckle. I can hear it now “T.G. wrote it and made me sign it” |
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Post by Gaidin on Dec 12, 2022 7:47:16 GMT -5
How can we trust his accomplishments are real? For all we know he was manipulating cases status to make the numbers look good. How dare you! He’s a professional! I will not stand for this! This kind of comment is as offensive and inflammatory as if you were to do something like accuse over 1,000 professionals who reduced a massive backlog of cases by over 50% of undermining the agency in an affidavit! Oh, wait… Insert "You had me going in the first half" gif. |
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Post by linejudge17 on Dec 15, 2022 10:46:48 GMT -5
How dare you! He’s a professional! I will not stand for this! This kind of comment is as offensive and inflammatory as if you were to do something like accuse over 1,000 professionals who reduced a massive backlog of cases by over 50% of undermining the agency in an affidavit! Oh, wait… Insert "You had me going in the first half" gif. If I understand correctly, the author of that piece is saying that he may be misusing his official position for personal gain in his campaign pieces, which is an ethics violation. Hmm… |
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Post by bagelone on Dec 17, 2022 13:51:22 GMT -5
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Post by arkstfan on Dec 22, 2022 2:58:51 GMT -5
Can't think of anyone else running for public office. It just gets super tricky under the Standards of Conduct. Must've had OGC's designated ethics official sign off on running. We had a writer who was on city council for my suburban community of around 32,000. City had non-partisan elections. The writer was already on the council when hired and I think ran unopposed while working for SSA and has since left. So campaign issues never arose. |
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Post by bagelone on Dec 27, 2022 11:28:21 GMT -5
Can't think of anyone else running for public office. It just gets super tricky under the Standards of Conduct. Must've had OGC's designated ethics official sign off on running. We had a writer who was on city council for my suburban community of around 32,000. City had non-partisan elections. The writer was already on the council when hired and I think ran unopposed while working for SSA and has since left. So campaign issues never arose. That sounds a little lower profile. Alderman in Chicago pays $115,560 or more in annual salary -- abc7chicago.com/chicago-city-council-meeting-alderman-salary-election-day/12165782/. Combining the alderman salary with Pat trumpeting his position and "accomplishments" and soliciting donations toward the campaign is trickier. Use of position for personal gain is an ethical hard no. The union wants the NHCs gone, and Pat's NHC judge wife campaigning for him seems to support their argument. Judges forced to schedule 50 hearings a month wouldn't have time for this. |
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Post by jagvet on Dec 28, 2022 18:35:27 GMT -5
You all are too analytical. I just think it shows bad judgment to run without resigning as CALJ first.
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Post by linejudge17 on Dec 29, 2022 6:24:16 GMT -5
Bad judgment of a chief judge is a serious matter. He is the deciding official who removes judges.
If Judge Nagle resigned before running, he couldn’t be in violation of ethics regulations. From what I’m piecing together, I think the real problem is using his official position in his campaign messaging for personal gain, which violates the standards of conduct. I wonder what would happen to a line judge who did that?
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Post by ssaogc on Dec 29, 2022 14:23:26 GMT -5
As the old saying goes different spanks for different ranks.
How can you be an effective Alderman in Illinois while your full time federal civil service job is in Falls Church VA? Oh wait, there are different rules too in addition to spanks. The question should be how can you be an effective chief judge when you are an Alderman in another state and rarely if ever set foot at ODAR HQ?
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